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posted: 1/9/2008 at 12:29 AM |
Quote from r2farm on 1/9/2008 at 12:23 AM:as long as I can buy good whiskey 
Amen. Bourbon is good too 
Thanks for this. |
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posted: 1/9/2008 at 12:40 AM |
Quote from Trent on 1/9/2008 at 12:29 AM:Amen. Bourbon is good too Thanks for this.
But not during Passover, I'm guessing. After all, whiskey is a grain product.
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posted: 1/9/2008 at 12:48 AM |
| Right. During passover, we drink slibowitz. |
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posted: 1/9/2008 at 1:02 AM |
| Quote from Trent on 1/9/2008 at 12:48 AM: Right. During passover, we drink slibowitz.
Slibowitz? Isn't that the guy from "NYPD Blue"? |
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posted: 1/9/2008 at 2:07 AM
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Quote from r2farm on 1/9/2008 at 12:23 AM:
R2F, again, thank you for this article. It is very well grounded, articulate and provides a rational sober take on the same overexuberance with which we tend to follow any new food "science". One day a food is a friend, the next day it is an enemy. And at the heart of his argument, this absolute truth: "Finally it should be noted that obesity is now a worldwide problem, while HFCS is largely a U.S. sweetener, accounting for less than half of our total caloric sweetener use."
I should point out that my personal aversion to HFCS comes from two sources:
1) I can often taste the difference in foods sweetened by glucose or fructose (as opposed to those naturally containing them) and find the flavor a bit cloying. Sometimes I cannot detect the difference. With Coke, I can.
2) HFCS tends to be a marker for processed foods (as too is "riboflavin", an essential vitamin, and many others). I generally prefer to eat whole, unprocessed foods. Well, with the exception of my pre-run Pop Tarts. I stay away from even things like Raisin Bran in favor of fresh made pancakes or steel cut oatmeal. HFCS is today often (but not always) a marker for companies that have chosen to focus on producing foods in volume at low cost rather than on producing foods of quality. Again, a generalization. But something that has HFCS is likely to be less expensive to produce, to buy and to prepare than whole grains, vegetables and fruits.
Again, these are my personal choices.
Thanks for the article. Good stuff. |
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posted: 1/9/2008 at 2:12 AM |
Quote from Trent on 1/9/2008 at 2:07 AM:Thanks for the article. Good stuff.
Yes. Thanks R2F. I've only seen articles making HFCS out to be the bad guy. Had never seen the other side of the argument. |
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posted: 1/9/2008 at 2:13 AM |
I forgot to post this quote, another good one that would even make Jeff proud:
HFCS is a refined sugar, only a source of carbohydrate, nothing more. It's neither hero, nor villain. That there is a controversy over its specific role in obesity demonstrates how desperately we want a quick answer |
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posted: 1/9/2008 at 4:42 PM |
Okay, y'all are being friendly. That's cool. It's a complex and difficult affair. On the other hand, the end of the article rings true: "But that doesn't excuse "over-sciencing" an answer to force a conclusion at the expense of common sense." My impression is that this article falls prey to its own conclusion.
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In fact, we have been consuming HFCS-like sweetener all along. "Sugar-sweetened carbonated beverages were introduced to our diets in the 1880s. Few people realize that sugar is unstable in acidic solutions, such as carbonated beverages (pH around 3.5). The glucose-fructose bond in sugar hydrolyzes to release monosaccharide glucose and fructose in a one-to-one ratio. In essence, we have been consuming HFCS in the form of hydrolyzed sucrose in soft drinks for more than a hundred years," claims White.
First, this paragraph could have been written without the over-scientific technical language. Second, more than a hundred years is not "all along." In fact, it's hardly any time measured against the time we're been eating. Finally, what's at issue is the volume that is being consumed, not the fact of consumption. Somehow the difference between level of consumption of soda in 1880 and today (and marketing $$ behind it, and the agricultural policy that supports it) didn't make it into the article.
And finally, I don't think that any sane person holds the view that HFCS is the sole "villain" of obesity. In fact, it's the variety of social and environmental consequences (of which obesity is, arguably, one) of intensive monoculture industrial farming that have folks worried. |
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