Running partners (Read 854 times)


Giant Flaming Dork

    So neighbor (let's call him "Bob") and I play soccer together.  He and I have been playing for years together and he's pretty good, but lacks stamina.  He has seen me run for the last few years and has commented a few times that he hates running.  Last few seasons he has seen me get faster and has commented on occasion that he "is doing everything he can to get in shape for the soccer season" which includes "crunches, jumping jacks, and riding the exercise bike".  I have always offered to run with him and he has always refused...  until now.  I have to admit that I was  interested in having a running partner.


    I planned a 2 mile loop that was pretty flat near our houses.


    So I just got back from running with Bob.  Since I'm coming back from an injury and in the process of doing a run/walk program, I said I wanted to take it slow.  And I did.  I tried to engage him in conversation and get him talking so that I could get an idea of how well he was going.   It was obvious to me that he was going too fast as he couldn't say more than a few words without gasping for another breath.


    Near the end of the run Bob commented to a neighbor that he wouldn't be able to keep up with us because no one else could possibly run this slow.  Yet at the end of the run he had to stop and walk a couple of times going up a hill while I could continue to run through the whole thing.  


    We have another run scheduled on Thursday but I'm wondering whether to go through with it...  Will he learn by example or am I going to have to terminate this because our goals are different?  I have to admit, I carried the same sorts of attitudes as Bob when I first started running.    Any advice to a first time running partner?


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    Lia's Daddy

      I think I would give Bob a few more chances. His comment to the other neighbor may just have been some self-deprecating humor. When I first started running I thought the goal was to run every run fast. I had no idea that there were other ways to go about it. A stress fracture showed me the light. I think it is part of the problem with running and why there are so many "running related injuries". There is a myth out there that running is natural and therefore easy. You and I both know different. Just like any other sport or hobby there are things to learn in order to excel. The difficult for me when running with folks new to the sport is finding the right balance between being helpful and sounding like a know-it-all. If you can find the balance between educating Bob and not turning him off to the sport then I think it may be a good investment toward having a running partner.
      "Stadiums are for spectators. We runners have nature and that is much better."
      Juha "the Cruel" Väätäinen


      You'll ruin your knees!

        I agree with Lia's dad.  Bob is showing an interest and you are in a position to mentor him through the challenges of getting started with a healthy program (good for you and free injury).  You know what he is going through and are able to provide encouragement that "it doesn't always get worse". 

         

        If you are not getting your goals met with the training, you can always go out early and get some running in, swing back to meet Bob on "tired" legs where you will be more in line with his pace.

         

        Good luck to you AND Bob... tell Bob that all of RA is pulling for him!

         

        Lynn B

        ""...the truth that someday, you will go for your last run. But not today—today you got to run." - Matt Crownover (after Western States)" “We are healed from suffering only by experiencing it to the full!” - Proust

          He probably had to try to show off for the neighbor ----- you know that foolish MALE EGO THING......

           

          Id go thru with it a few more times and if it doesnt work out then just tell him you would rather run alone.   I think after he has a chance to come to grips with is current fitness, he might just be OK to run with.....

          Champions are made when no one is watching


          Giant Flaming Dork

            Thanks for all your help! 

             

            I left out one important detail.  He wants to run a lot faster than I'm comfortable with and it's far above my current fitness level.

             

            Anyway, I used your suggestions and talked to him and we seemed to come to an agreement.  He seemed to be receptive to trying to go a little slower and that it could lead to injuries in the future.  The next run seemed to go better, but he still seems to want to run much faster than I do.  I chose a route that was much hillier to try and get him to go a little slower.  It worked, for the most part.

             

            Thanks again for the suggestions!

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              Have you considered meeting and setting out together for the start of the run, then heading your own separate ways, and meeting at the end to re-hash all the gory details?  You'd have the comradery of pushing each other to get out there, and the community of visting at beginning and end.
              Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
                Have you considered meeting and setting out together for the start of the run, then heading your own separate ways, and meeting at the end to re-hash all the gory details?  You'd have the comradery of pushing each other to get out there, and the community of visting at beginning and end.

                 +1

                 

                I have a RP I do this with...works great for us.


                Giant Flaming Dork

                  That's a great idea.  I've already said that he's more than welcome to run ahead (heh) and he does.  We meet up informally afterward, but it'd be good to have a verbal agreement in place.  Thanks!

                  http://xkcd.com/621/

                    Have you considered meeting and setting out together for the start of the run, then heading your own separate ways, and meeting at the end to re-hash all the gory details?  You'd have the comradery of pushing each other to get out there, and the community of visting at beginning and end.

                     Thats what my wife and I are currently doing when we run together. We start out together and as we are running, I'll have her turn a block before me, then I'll run the extra block and meet up when I catch her. I've been around our town enough now to know where I can take a longer route and eventually meet up with her again.

                     

                    She seems to like this approach instead of having her try to keep up with me or feeling bad knowing I'm slowing down for her.

                    2012 Goals:

                    5k = sub 22:00

                    10k = sub 45:00

                    HM = sub 1:40:00

                    Run = 2000 miles

                    Bike = 3000 miles

                    Swim = 130 miles

                      numbers don't lie.  I have a $40 watch and heart rate monitor.  I can make it beep at >140 beats/minute to insure an easy pace. 

                       

                      most people don't see interest in running an easy pace for 6 months and slowly adding more miles every week.  we hate ourseleves for eating pizza so we must punish ourselves with a "workout".  nevermind that running 4 miles in 35 minutes burns the same calories as running 4 miles in 30 minutes.  not to mention that by taking an extra 5 minutes to complete the run we will be able to run the same thing again tomorrow. 

                       

                      short term thinking vs. long term thinking. 

                       

                      but maybe someone who needs a competition would get something out of the "I can keep my heartrate lower than yours on the same run" game. 

                      2012 goal = 4:59 for 1,500 meters. (before then just get healthy)


                      Giant Flaming Dork


                         

                        but maybe someone who needs a competition would get something out of the "I can keep my heartrate lower than yours on the same run" game. 

                         

                        Hey, I like that idea!!!  He is quite competative and likes to excel.  He doesn't seem to have any problem putting the work in to excel, either. (I've seen him coach both of my kids in soccer.  WIth one of them they lost every game - and he was very good with the kids working on basic skills.  WIth the other we won every game and he was very good at teaching strategy and more advanced concepts.)

                         

                        I would imagine this might be a good way to appeal to his competitive streak.

                        http://xkcd.com/621/

                          Doug, I also have a HR monitor and use it every run, but mine was a bit more then 40 dollars. As a matter of fact, we both have and use them. My 145 HR easy run is much faster then her easy HR because I wasn't affraid to run alot of those slow miles.

                           

                          To the OP, let your RP in on a little secret that running at an easy conversational pace is a good thing and will pay huge benefits in the long run.

                          2012 Goals:

                          5k = sub 22:00

                          10k = sub 45:00

                          HM = sub 1:40:00

                          Run = 2000 miles

                          Bike = 3000 miles

                          Swim = 130 miles


                          Blaaahhhh

                            I had a neighbor join me on a 5 mile run once. She was the perfect running partner. She didn't talk much, but we ran at the same pace and best of all she chased all the neighborhood dogs away. Never once did a dog get between us. Unfortunately when I was done my run, she wouldn't go home. She just flopped down on my parent's porch and took a nap. When my dad got home he recognized her and called the neighbor. He gave her a ride home and was a bit peeved when the neighbor's kids were too lazy to even get their butts off the couch when he dropped her off. Sadly though they kept her tied up after that and we never ran together again. I'll never forget her. I generally don't like german shepards, but she's an exception.