2010 Goal of Sub 20 5K (Read 2801 times)


Prince of Fatness

    I know that there is a sub 20 thread already out there, but I figured that I would start a new one to see if there is any interest.  Who's going for sub 20 this year?

     

    My training was pretty crappy in February but it's starting to come around now.  I'm looking to target a 5K May or June.  I'd try earlier but apparently I humiliated someone last fall in a half marathon and I have a rematch in April.  I ran 20:31 on a tough course while marathon training last year so I think that I have a good shot at it this year.  I'd like to get it done before I start training for a fall marathon.

     

    How about everyone else?  I don't want to keep a list, just share goals, training ideas, etc.  And those that have already made it are welcome to post here, too.  Tell us what helped you achieve the goal.

    There is a long dark road ahead of me.

      In.

       

      Have only run 1 in my life in the low 21's but I remember feeling like I left a lot of time out on the course that day. I do have a race coming up on April 2 and think I have a decent chance there. If not then my goal race would be in Mid July.

       

      Training as of the moment is more tailored to the half im running in May, I was planning to start some 5k specific workouts last week and then I got sick. Now that I'm back and healthy I might try to get in 2 5k specific workouts before the race. Just trying to get my body used to that pace Something like:

       

      10 x 400 (:45 recovery jog)

       

      5 x 800 (1:15 recovery jog)

       

      5 x 1000 (1:30 recovery jog)

       

      all at goal pace.

       

        I'll join in. If I don't make it I'll be close.


        I haven't run a sub 20 5K since I was a teenager so it would be nice to do it again. I set my adult PR in November at 21:20 and have been going well since. If you look at my log you'll see some fast recent Treadmill workouts but I think I just run well on it.


        The biggest adjustment is going to be adding structure to at least one workout a week. I tend to just go out and run reasonably hard, which I really enjoy.




        Think Whirled Peas

          In.  Q needs a goal.

          Just because running is simple does not mean it is easy.

            Tell us what helped you achieve the goal.

             

             

            I posted on page one of the other thread, and picked up Jim Howe as an internet coach.  Great stuff.  I love to read that thread from time to time, it cracks me up that my (now) running bud evtish started it.  Then he accepted my Good Times invite and wound up breaking 20:00 and taking a series AG award.

             


            OP evtish on the left, yours truly with considerably more hair on the right

            E.J.
            Greater Lowell Road Runners
            Cry havoc and let slip the dawgs of war!

            May the road rise to meet you, may the wind be always at your back, may the sun shine warm upon your SPF30, may the rains fall soft upon your sweat-wicking hat, and until you hit the finish line may The Flying Spaghetti Monster hold you in the hollow of His Noodly Appendage.


            Prince of Fatness

              Damn Dawg, I forgot that you were shooting for sub 20 not too long ago.  And look where you are now.  Nice work.

               

              Jim's words to you are worth repeating.......

               

              You can get there without a doubt if you are willing to do a little more. First thing would be to run on at least one of those days you take off each week. Compared to several I see posting here your mileage is ok, but it's still not a lot.

              The next thing would be to a add a weekly track workout. It doesn't have to be a ****buster either...I'd say that 5 x 1K at about 8-10 seconds per mile slower than your current 5k race would do just fine. Take a half lap recovery jog between each rep. If you are real consistent, religiously doing them every week, you will see measurable results. You can rotate between those, 800's, and 1200's if you want. Just do about 3 miles worth of each. A lot of people will tell you to run them harder, do 400's and a lot of other stuff, but I can tell by your PR's that endurance/threshold work is what you need most at this stage. Running your intervals a little slower and taking a short recovery will boost your lactate threshold if you keep doing them. You should also be able to recover from them quite easily.

              So that's it...run an extra day or 2 each week, and throw in those intervals. There are other things you can do but this is enough to get you to your goal. I see that you have been doing some nice long runs, so that's good. I picked on you because you're easy...if you've run 20:40 off of what you've been doing it's not going to take drastic measures to get your sub-20.

              I would say to everyone else who has posted here that the best thing you can do is increase your mileage. Don't think that because 5k is a short race that you don't need lots of endurance to run it well. That's a very common misconception.

              There is a long dark road ahead of me.

                I've gotten a ton of great advice on RA, but that post alone has been worth every dime I've PayPal-ed to Eric.  It has had more impact per word than I could possibly have imagined at the time.  Having read some of Jim's race reports and seen his personal records, I knew he was a very experienced runner with a truly impressive running resume.

                 

                Don't think that because 5k is a short race that you don't need lots of endurance to run it well could be used as the title of this thread. That one sentence changed my entire way of thinking about the 5k and the way I trained for it.

                E.J.
                Greater Lowell Road Runners
                Cry havoc and let slip the dawgs of war!

                May the road rise to meet you, may the wind be always at your back, may the sun shine warm upon your SPF30, may the rains fall soft upon your sweat-wicking hat, and until you hit the finish line may The Flying Spaghetti Monster hold you in the hollow of His Noodly Appendage.

                Sven13.1


                  This is/was one of my goals for 2010.  I had geared up for a race yesterday.  Local 5-K as part of the Pasadena Triathlon at the Rose Bowl.  I run at the Rose Bowl a lot, so I figured it was a good race spot because of familiarity.  The general 5-K course there is very simple, one lap around, with the extra tenth picked up on one of the side streets. 

                   

                  Before the race, there was some chatter amongst some of the regulars that the course for this one was a little different and they thought it was a bit long.  Turns out they were right. 

                   

                  My plan was to try to run 6:20 to 6:25 for the first two miles and then give it all I had for the last mile.  I went through the first mile in 6:20, the second in 6:18.  Perfect.  I ended up running along someone who was just about the perfect pace partner.  We burned through the third mile in 5:58.  And then the long part.  By my watch, the course measured about 3.3 miles, and I crossed the tape at about 20:23.  Reverse engineering the 6:00 split my watch said I did, that would have put my 5K time at about 19:12 to 19:15.

                   

                  A really, really good run, but frustrating because I don't yet have an "official" 5-K time under 20.

                    I'm going to head out and run a local weekly 5K series for a little race practice this evening. I'm going to try to work on finding that balance between going out too fast and going out fast enough. One might think I know something about 5K race strategy. In another lifetime I successfully ran CC in HS with a 17:22 PR (1990). I always went out like a rocket and faded miserably to the end watching folks pass me the whole last mile. (I wish nobby were my coach! He would helped with that stamina issue.) This isn't the type of 5K runner I want to be. In addition to working on my fitness and speed, I think getting my head in the game and learning better strategy is going to be the difference between getting myself under 20 or not.


                    I've been up and down with allergies, my diet at the beginning of the week was horrible, I'm still a little sore in the gluts from an awesome hilly trail run on Sunday, and the weather predicts gusty winds. I'm not expecting much so it's a perfect opportunity to work on and strengthen the mental/strategy side of the equation. If I'm lucky I'll go faster than my November time (21:20). Anyone with strategy advice or tips to practice?




                    MoBramExam

                      xhristopher,

                       

                      Come tonight, your allergies will either be up or down, the wind will be either gusty, calm, or in between.  Can't control any of this, so put it all aside.  (Personally, wouldn't take any allergy meds today; however.)  The diet is what it was.  If you pay for, you pay for it.  In the end, you probably won't know for sure if this has any cause and effect on your performance.  Check this off your worry list.

                       

                      Guess what, now we're down to just running the race.  Go out comfortable hard.  If you error, error slightly, and error on the side of "hard"...its a race, you want to excel.  If you run your 1st mile too fast, keep going and don't worry about slowing down, you will.  When you want to slow down, run faster.  Race and learn.  Use tonight to re-establish where your fitness is, then plan your next days / weeks accordingly.

                       

                      Good luck!

                       

                        Ok, did the Wednesday evening race. As per usual, I went out too hard and led the race for the first mile. I didn't intend to do this but … what can I say? Just after the first mile I was passed by 4 runners and they did most of their damage on me in that second mile. I came through stronger in the third mile, in the headwind, and finished 20:38. So, now that I've dropped 42 seconds in the last 4 months I want to drop another 42, hopefully quicker. Lot's of talk about 5Ks here recently. Being so close to the sub 20 milestone, I'm up for a little pain.


                        I was so pleased with my effort I chowed down a twizzler and enjoyed the sunset by running another lap of the course in 23:00 just 90 seconds after finishing the first.


                        Edit: Just worked out my pace. 6:22 / 6:42 / 6:50 / 6:59 (.11). Looks like a pretty decent fade. If I want to go sub 20 I need to work on holding that 6:22 pace more than worrying about going out too fast.

                          BadDawg, so that was you tonight. Yeah, that was me, the guy in black, burning up the first mile. Good run tonight. Everyone behind you was huffing and puffing but you made it look easy.

                            I have taken quite a bit of time off as my groin hurts. I had hernia surgery 4 years ago so I decided to take some time off. I will start running again on March 26th and see how it feels. I want to run a half marathon 6 months from that day on Sept. 26.

                             

                            Last Sept I ran a half mary in 1:38:04 for a per mile average of 7:29 and I liked the challenge.

                             

                            I will put sub 20 on my list but only as an afterthought. I won't be killing myself for speedwork this year. Last year I ran a 20:06 in May and could not break the sub 20 but did it twice in 2008.

                            JimR


                               half mary

                               

                               

                              *gasp*

                               

                              you're doomed.

                              evtish


                                 

                                 

                                I posted on page one of the other thread, and picked up Jim Howe as an internet coach.  Great stuff.  I love to read that thread from time to time, it cracks me up that my (now) running bud evtish started it.  Then he accepted my Good Times invite and wound up breaking 20:00 and taking a series AG award.

                                 

                                 

                                The DAWG is FAST and getting FASTER!  I started chasing him 2 yrs ago and I'm still chasing him.

                                 

                                Remember how Michigan broke through only after he increased his mileage to 50/wk for a few weeks like Jim recommended. 

                                 

                                Good luck to everyone this year.