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Thinking of getting a coach (Read 263 times)

mab411


Proboscis Colossus

    Isn't there a danger of some muscle/fascia groups making up for disproportionately weak ones, though?  The example that I remember reading about is the hamstrings taking on more stress than they should do to weak/inactive glutes.  This example was of a very experienced, fairly quick runner, as I recall, who had been plagued with hamstring pain for some years.  Granted, I haven't been experiencing anything like that (a few nagging pains here and there, nothing major), but I've always been interested in having someone more knowledgeable than me watch me run to see if there is anything I need to address, through strength training or whatever.

     

    MTA: I'm not trying to be obtuse, just trying to understand why I should avoid talking to this guy if his advice is free and I can take it with a grain of salt.

    "God guides us on our journey, but careful with those feet." - David Lee Roth, of all people

       

      No.

       

      First of all ask him define efficient vs. inefficient. Then ask him how he can know what's most efficient for every individual's unique bio-mechanics.

       

      I got beat in my last race by a dude running on his tiptoes in sandals who ran a 6:28 avg pace on a 5 mile race.  He was in the Clydesdale division with lots of muscle and little fat so I think no one gave him too much grief on his running form.

       

      I get beat regularly by this guy who isn't in my division but has this weird shuffling gait where I think his feet travel farther side to side than they do up and down.  He must run by himself a lot, because if you tried to run beside him I think he would trip you with his gait.

       

      Could either of those guys run faster if they changed their running form?  Maybe.  I know the guy with the weird side shuffle gait has been running a long time injury free though.  I sure would hate to try to mess with my form and end up injured or something.

      Age: 46 Weight: 205 Height: 6'2" (Goal weight 195)

      Current PR's:  Mara 3:48:09; HM 1:43:26; 10K 43:59; 5K 21:27

        Mab, how long have you been running anyway?

         

        If less than two years I'd guess you are going to continue to improve anyway. Of course, your coach will take credit for that.


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          Isn't there a danger of some muscle/fascia groups making up for disproportionately weak ones, though?  The example that I remember reading about is the hamstrings taking on more stress than they should do to weak/inactive glutes.  This example was of a very experienced, fairly quick runner, as I recall, who had been plagued with hamstring pain for some years.  Granted, I haven't been experiencing anything like that (a few nagging pains here and there, nothing major), but I've always been interested in having someone more knowledgeable than me watch me run to see if there is anything I need to address, through strength training or whatever.

           

          MTA: I'm not trying to be obtuse, just trying to understand why I should avoid talking to this guy if his advice is free and I can take it with a grain of salt.

           

          There is a risk of imbalances developing, which can manifest themselves as changes in your form, and lead to injury.  I lost most of last year to such a thing.  But the solution is NOT to mess with your form (the symptom).  It is to work on core strength (cause) and, sometimes, flexibility (like hip flexors if you have a desk job).

          "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

           

          mab411


          Proboscis Colossus

             

            I got beat in my last race by a dude running on his tiptoes in sandals who ran a 6:28 avg pace on a 5 mile race.  He was in the Clydesdale division with lots of muscle and little fat so I think no one gave him too much grief on his running form.

             

            I get beat regularly by this guy who isn't in my division but has this weird shuffling gait where I think his feet travel farther side to side than they do up and down.  He must run by himself a lot, because if you tried to run beside him I think he would trip you with his gait.

             

            Could either of those guys run faster if they changed their running form?  Maybe.  I know the guy with the weird side shuffle gait has been running a long time injury free though.  I sure would hate to try to mess with my form and end up injured or something.

             

            True, you may have answered my question even though you were typing your post at the same time!  But like I say, I've learned to take advice on form and training from books and internet people with a grain of salt and listen to my body, I think I could do it in person, too.

             

            That said...it's worth noting, I wouldn't say I feel completely comfortable in my form as-is.

            "God guides us on our journey, but careful with those feet." - David Lee Roth, of all people

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              mab411


              Proboscis Colossus

                Mab, how long have you been running anyway?

                 

                If less than two years I'd guess you are going to continue to improve anyway. Of course, your coach will take credit for that.

                 

                I actually found the receipt for my first pair of "real" running shoes (Adrenaline 10) the other day.  Not that that means I "started" running at that point, but it was 2010.  I seem to recall, I was running for some months before that in my JC Penney-edition Reeboks.

                "God guides us on our journey, but careful with those feet." - David Lee Roth, of all people

                mab411


                Proboscis Colossus

                   

                  There is a risk of imbalances developing, which can manifest themselves as changes in your form, and lead to injury.  I lost most of last year to such a thing.  But the solution is NOT to mess with your form (the symptom).  It is to work on core strength (cause) and, sometimes, flexibility (like hip flexors if you have a desk job).

                   

                  Right, and that's what interests me.  If he looks at me and, I don't know, there's something about my posture or the way my foot lands that indicates a problem, I know not to start trying to run while holding my back a certain way or make my foot strike differently, but I would be interested in hearing input on certain muscle groups that might need more attention in strength training.

                  "God guides us on our journey, but careful with those feet." - David Lee Roth, of all people

                    Nothing wrong with Reeboks. I think Meb wears those.

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                      But the solution is NOT to mess with your form (the symptom).  It is to work on core strength (cause) and, sometimes, flexibility (like hip flexors if you have a desk job).

                       

                      This.

                       

                      It sounds like this guy is a good salesman.  He's tapping into what his clients think they need. I too long for someone to Stride-Doctor me.  But I think it's a bunch of hokem science.  As others have pointed out, there are lots of elite athletes with terrible form.  Heck, Jeptoo looks like Dr. Frankenstein was drunk while reading the Lego directions.  Might as well run like a T-Rex.

                       

                      Personally, I think form is the last thing a good and honest coach will want to talk to you about.

                       

                      Now, if his approach is this: he watches you run and then gives you a list of bodyweight and core exercises to do, without mentioning any form modifications, then he might be some good to the running community.  If he tells you to lean forward for a midfoot stride, stop swinging your arms across your center-line, and take shorter strides toward X/minute.  Then you know he has a Runners' World subscription, and that's about it.

                       

                      Bad free advice can be very expensive in the long run.

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                        Running nerds everywhere know what kind of shoes that Meb wears.  Hint:  it's not Reeboks.

                         

                        Nothing wrong with Reeboks. I think Meb wears those.

                        mab411


                        Proboscis Colossus

                           

                          This.

                           

                          It sounds like this guy is a good salesman.  He's tapping into what his clients think they need. I too long for someone to Stride-Doctor me.  But I think it's a bunch of hokem science.  As others have pointed out, there are lots of elite athletes with terrible form.  Heck, Jeptoo looks like Dr. Frankenstein was drunk while reading the Lego directions.  Might as well run like a T-Rex.

                           

                          Personally, I think form is the last thing a good and honest coach will want to talk to you about.

                           

                          Now, if his approach is this: he watches you run and then gives you a list of bodyweight and core exercises to do, without mentioning any form modifications, then he might be some good to the running community.  If he tells you to lean forward for a midfoot stride, stop swinging your arms across your center-line, and take shorter strides toward X/minute.  Then you know he has a Runners' World subscription, and that's about it.

                           

                          Bad free advice can be very expensive in the long run.

                           

                          Right, but he's not selling me anything.  And the gait analysis was in fact the last thing we talked about.  Point well made and taken about bad free advice, though.

                           

                          LOL on Jeptoo's form!  MTA: and thanks for that link.  That was really interesting.

                          "God guides us on our journey, but careful with those feet." - David Lee Roth, of all people

                            just trying to understand why I should avoid talking to this guy if his advice is free and I can take it with a grain of salt.

                             

                            I have no opinion on whether you should take the guy's advice or not.

                             

                            I was just disagreeing with the statement that "an inefficient stride is an inefficient stride." Every runner's mechanics are unique and anyway efficient / inefficient is not a binary condition.

                            Runners run.

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