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Back pain is very common.
It is almost always musculoskeletal.
It happens to everybody.
It happens more than once to many people.
A huge number of adults getting back MRIs have bulging discs, but that does not mean the disc bulges are the cause of the problem or need to be addressed in any way. In fact, any time you get any medical test, you risk identifying incidental findings that would never have been found or caused any trouble, and then you have to worry about what you found,possibly for the rest of your life.
A huge number of adults also have bone spurring in their back (and in other joints). That does not mean that the bone spurring is the cause of the back pain or that it has to be treated in any way.
Back pain almost always resolves in 3 weeks, no matter what you do or do not do (physical therapy, chiropracty, exercise, sit on the couch, magical healing amulets, whatever).
Occasionally it involves nerves or nerve roots. Occasionally it involves discs. It still usually resolves in 3 weeks, no matter what you do.
In women, especially in those who have had children, it commonly involves the sacroilliac joint, which is at the base of your spine where it joins your pelvis. Sacroiliac pain can be caused by lifting, bending or twisting. It can be very severe. It still usually resolves in 3 weeks. No matter what you do.
Orthopedic surgeons are experts in the field of back diseases, and seeing one does not mean you need an operation.
By and large, operations do not resolve symptoms in patients with chronic or recurrent back pain.
By and large, core strengthening and increasing activity reduces back pain recurrence and severity of back pain episodes.
Keep running. Strengthen your core. As soon as comfortably possible.
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Prince of Fatness
Here's another vote for yoga. It does wonders for core strength and flexibility.
Strengthen your core.
I've been doing yoga for about 6 months now and have definitely noticed an improvement in core strength and flexibility.
The jogger formerly known as MrPHinNJ
I also suspect this is part of the reason your core and flexibility have improved.
Menace to Sobriety
Nola,
What Trent said. I have had similar issues to yours. I was waaayy overweight and out of shape. As I began running, and lost weight, these episodes have decreased in frequency and intensity. I did find that when my back did go "out", the sooner I got up and about, the faster it resolved itself. If I rested for a couple days, it just took a couple more days to get over it. Not that I over did it, just normal walking around would loosen things up. I still have the occasional outage, but it usually doesn't keep me off my feet.
I'm definitely open to yoga and other core work. I started walking a lot last year and this year had begun running. I was doing really well with it. I loved running as a teenager and was 'feeling it' again. I need to remind myself that this is most likely a bump in the road.
Thanks everyone.
-there is straightening of the normal lumbar lordotic curve
-pedicles are intact
-no spondylolistesis
Well, I'm still not running. When I went to the ortho I was no longer using the cane but still limping some. The reflex in my right leg was much better. He said he would order an MRI if I wasn't 'substantially improved' in a week. I am getting around pretty much but still have to be careful. I wore a pair of flat soled shoes to work the other day and that aggravated it...so does riding in the car too much.
I am doing some stretching and started with some resistance bands. I can't do crunches yet but I am slowly working on planks etc. I postponed my boot camp session and looked into some yoga classes nearby. There is an Iyengar Yoga class that I will check out soon.
Am I doing the right thing by trying to wait it out and just doing what I can do without aggravating it? Should I push for the MRI? Aside from surgery (i'm not that bad off) is there anything they could do based on an MRI that I'm not already doing?
1983
I like Trents comment above on invoking the medical community...they will generally "do" something. Surgeons operate, chiros adjust etc. This is a broad generalization of course, but pretty accurate.
An MRI isn't going to fix anything. It might satiate yours and your dr's quest for knowledge by providing some indication as to the severity. Your pain and symptoms will also tell you that. Basically surgery is an absolute last resort, when you absolutely can't take it anymore. The surgeons I've seen generally seem to employ a delaying tactic, prescribe...delay, repeat several times. Probably to get past that point in time where if it is going to get better regardless, then it will. I had lower back surgery 5 yrs ago after 4 monthes of agony. I could not function. I didn't have the cortisone shots, just went straight for the surgery. Had I it to do over again, I would have tried more options, delayed farther to see if it got better on its own. I herniated a disk in my neck last October , (well it was probably herniated long before that, but I woke up with the pain then) Being my neck instead of my lower back, I was far more freaked out about surgery. It progressively got worse over several weeks. Pred packs did nothing. I did everything possible, chiro, PT, oriental med, had 2 cortizone shots. It still bothers me day to day, but I am able to function. Month to month, it is gradually getting better. For my situation, the things that seemed to help the most were the oriental accupressure treatements and the cort shots. Once managable, activity will help also.
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Thanks Runnerclay, I had 'kind of' started low heart rate training. I wasn't shooting for a certain heart rate but was running very slowly. In the past, I had a bad habit of overstriding. I was really working on keeping my stride shorter and landing over my center of gravity. That was going really well. No shin problems, no hip problems. Everything was good until my back flaired. I'm really hoping to get back to that. I'm still trying to decide on pilates vs yoga. I don't know that I could do a full class right now so I'm just doing some basic exercises/poses now along with the stretching.
The dr's office called this morning. He's ordering the MRI. Since it's still not completely resolved and it's been happening every 6-8 months for the last 2-3 years (each time progressively worse) I think if nothing else it will establish a baseline. We'll see.
Trent, is that the usual cost of the MRI? Is there benefit to knowing what's going on with the discs?
When his office called today I spoke to the nurse briefly and she said they would work on authorization but if I was doing okay and decided against it, just let them know when they call to schedule and it would be no problem...
Osteoarthritis and osteoporosis run heavily in my family...grandmother, mother, aunt. My sister, who is 49yo just had a bone density test and she got a -3.7. Does any of this have any relevance?
Update...I reread Trent's post and think he already answered this. I just went out and ran/walked a mile and a half. Other than feeling slow, needing to walk more etc, it felt fine. If I wake up tomorrow feeling okay, I'm passing on the MRI.
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