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Homebrew sports drinks (Read 133 times)

    I had an idea for a homebrew electrolyte-packed sports drink, and would like feedback and constructive criticism.

     

    As we know, the major electrolytes that the body needs is sodium, chloride, potassium, magnesium, and calcium (also phosphate, bicarbonate, and sulfate).  Most DIY sports drinks are basically salt, sugar, and water.  I wanted to see if I could buy some potassium, magnesium, and calcium dietary supplements, grind them up and mix it into my own sports drinks and have the same effect as Gatorade, which IMO is superior to a homebrew sugared saline solution.

     

    Gatorade has (per 8 ounces) -  110mg sodium  90mg chloride, 30mg potassium, 14g of carbohydrates

    Gatorade Endurance has - 200mg sodium 90mg chloride, 90mg potassium, 6mg calcium, 3mg magnesium, and 14g of carbs.

     

    Except for the chloride as its part of table salt, that should be easy enough to measure out.  I could then further adjust the amounts to suit me better.  I could also experiment with different forms of sugar.  Maybe do like 70% fast digesting sugar like glucose or fructose powder and 30% slower like honey or table sugar.

     

    Let me know what you think


    Latent Runner

      My favorite "Homebrew Sports Drink" is a nice hoppy IPA.

      Fat old man PRs:

      • 1-mile (point to point, gravity assist): 5:50
      • 2-mile: 13:49
      • 5K (gravity assist last mile): 21:31
      • 5-Mile: 37:24
      • 10K (first 10K of my Half Marathon): 48:16
      • 10-Mile (first 10 miles of my Half Marathon): 1:17:40
      • Half Marathon: 1:42:13
      mikeymike


        Occasionally, if it's really hot for a few days in a row in summer, I'll buy NUUN tablets and drop them in a glass of water once or twice a day. But otherwise I get plenty of electrolytes in the food I eat.

         

        After long runs I usually make a smoothie containing ~ 8 oz. orange juice, 8 oz. vanilla yogurt, 8 oz. frozen berries, a frozen banana and a few shakes of salt.

        Runners run

        Buzzie


        Bacon Party!

          Water with himalayan sea salt, nu-salt (potassium chloride), lime juice and a dash of stevia or sugar - it's like a margarita.

          Liz

          pace sera, sera

            My favorite "Homebrew Sports Drink" is a nice hoppy IPA.

             

            +10

             

            will be homebrewing some IPA  in very near future.  actually will be an amber ale. working on recipe this week (very much a beginner homebrewer).  This gets me thinking about if its possible of combining the two (sports drink,  IPA) into an alcoholic sports drink ?  Gatorade (or similar) with a bitter/hoppy taste.


            Latent Runner

              I guess it's all a matter of perspective...  Smile

               

              • Personally I consider Gatorade (and other sweet drinks of that ilk) anti-sports drinks.
              • A nice ale (plenty of fats, malts, and carbos) is pretty much the only "true" sports drink in my mind; the lone exception to that rule is during the warmest parts of the summer I'll occasionally pop a FIZZ or NUUN.

              Fat old man PRs:

              • 1-mile (point to point, gravity assist): 5:50
              • 2-mile: 13:49
              • 5K (gravity assist last mile): 21:31
              • 5-Mile: 37:24
              • 10K (first 10K of my Half Marathon): 48:16
              • 10-Mile (first 10 miles of my Half Marathon): 1:17:40
              • Half Marathon: 1:42:13
              LedLincoln


              not bad for mile 25

                  I guess it's all a matter of perspective...  Smile

                   

                  • Personally I consider Gatorade (and other sweet drinks of that ilk) anti-sports drinks.
                  • A nice ale (plenty of fats, malts, and carbos) is pretty much the only "true" sports drink in my mind; the lone exception to that rule is during the warmest parts of the summer I'll occasionally pop a FIZZ or NUUN.

                   

                  shipo, can you please elaborate why you believe Gatorade (and other drinks) are anti-sports?  I would like to hear both sides to the story.  It is my understanding that electrolytes help maintain the amount of water (among other functions) you hold in your body via the kidney.  The sugar helps with water absorbtion and also act as a rapid release source of energy, preventing using up all of glycogen stores too quickly (obviously I'm talking about distance running and not 6 miles).

                   

                  Alcohol also acts as a anti-diuretic, which inhibits the kidney to absorb water.  It's the exact opposite of what I'm trying to accomplish.  Once I drank 4 beers before a 7 mile run on a hot day, I will never do that again.

                   

                  Buzzie, thanks for the recommendation.  I'll have to try that, I'm a big fan of margaritas!  I forgot about nu-salt, and that may be way to better balance the chloride.

                   

                  The whole goal was to get away from store-bought mass-produced products and make a drink that caters and is adjustable to myself.  I drink/sweat a lot on runs and I need to re-hydrate, straight water just doesn't cut it for me.  I see a lot of people on here saying how they don't need water for runs less than 20 miles, but I certainly am not that type of person.

                  mikeymike


                    I don't think the sugar in Gatorade does anything for water absorption during exercise--it is just energy. And for the most part you don't need it in workouts of normal duration. In very long runs (say longer than 3 hours) it might make sense but I find it's easier to take a Gu or two and just drink water.

                     

                    Electrolytes ARE important to your body's ability to absorb water, but the concentration of electrolytes in Gatorade doesn't really do much.

                     

                    Science of Sport did a great series on fluid intake, dehydration and exercise if you are interested in the subject. Here's the first post in the 5-part series.

                     

                    The upshot was that sports drinks are mostly pointless and we should just drink to thirst.

                    Runners run


                    CT JEFF

                      I guess it's all a matter of perspective...  Smile

                       

                      • Personally I consider Gatorade (and other sweet drinks of that ilk) anti-sports drinks.
                      • A nice ale (plenty of fats, malts, and carbos) is pretty much the only "true" sports drink in my mind; the lone exception to that rule is during the warmest parts of the summer I'll occasion
                      • ally pop a FIZZ or NUUN.

                      I tried to make my own as well. I found this works much better than most commercial drinks.

                      http://youtu.be/BPBggWHaEK4

                       

                      And here's some of the science behind it...http://youtu.be/8NNRpxBTpk8

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                        Thanks Mike and Jeff, this is the kind of constructive criticism I was looking for.

                         

                        Jeff, good luck on Hartford next weekend, I'll be there!

                         

                        I did some research on Skratch Labs and seems like people like them.  That egg video had me slightly confused.  Is a fragile, vinegared egg really representative of the small intestine?  Also, why didn't they use water as a control?

                         

                        Skratch labs "Exercise Hydration" mix has  (per 8 oz):

                        180mg sodium, 20mg potassium, 30mg calcium, 20mg magnesium, 20mg Vitamin C, and 10g of carbohydrates

                         

                        That's a bit different from Gatorade.  About the same sodium, almost a quarter of the potassium, 5 times the calcium and magnesium, a little bit less carbs, and a lot of vitamin C (17% of DV)

                         

                        It looks like I may have to do some more research and trail and error.  I already know I feel considerably less thirsty if I drink a sports drink and water during a long run than just straight water.  So for me, at least, sports drinks DO have an effect, I just want to maximize that effect without having to support Corporate America.

                         

                        Testing would have to start after the marathon as I wouldn't want to introduce anything new a week and a half out!


                        CT JEFF

                          Yes, the K is different in Skratch. They recently put out this article. Basically, your body doesnt push out potassium to anywhere the degree it does sodium. Its all about balance. I agree, the video could have been clearer, and I can see comparing pure water as a control. Here is what happens in with Water as a control. http://youtu.be/SSS3EtKAzYc

                           

                          http://www.skratchlabs.com/blogs/news/14818245-coconut-water-the-bizarro-sports-drink

                           

                           

                          Coconut Water

                          Skratch

                          Sweat

                          Sodium (mg)

                          50

                          360

                          450 ± 250

                          Potassium (mg)

                          950

                          40

                          80 ± 30

                          Calcium (mg)

                          0

                          47

                          25 ± 17

                          Magnesium (mg)

                          0

                          23

                          6 ± 6

                           

                          http://youtu.be/Ya9Vg46ZBPA

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                            Yeah, I was never sold on the coconut water.  It's expensive and tastes disgusting.  I'll just eat a banana for the potassium.

                             

                            Thanks for posting that chart!  That was exactly what I thought about on my run this evening  "when I get home, I should see how much electrolytes you actually sweat, and a good drink balance should be slightly lower."

                             

                            Since that chart is based on 16oz of Skratch/Sweat, The real challenge would be how much I sweat in an hour for long runs at a moderate pace.  I know I could weigh myself before and after, but as the article Mike pointed out, you also burn an amount of carbohydrates, whether it be glycogen or fat.  That should be more or less static though, say 10% of weight loss?

                             

                            From what I understand, when you sweat out sodium/salt, your blood keeps relatively the same concentration of water to salt ratio.  If you replenish with just water, you dilute that ratio.  In turn, your kidney responds that it stops absorbing water and will just have to pee.  The opposite is also true, too much salt, your body tells you you need more water.


                            Latent Runner

                              Me thinks y'all are waaaaaay over thinking this thing.

                              Fat old man PRs:

                              • 1-mile (point to point, gravity assist): 5:50
                              • 2-mile: 13:49
                              • 5K (gravity assist last mile): 21:31
                              • 5-Mile: 37:24
                              • 10K (first 10K of my Half Marathon): 48:16
                              • 10-Mile (first 10 miles of my Half Marathon): 1:17:40
                              • Half Marathon: 1:42:13


                              Running Chick

                                i just have a banana........  green smoothies (home made) are my go-to 'sports drink'.  i don't think i could improve on what the earth has already given us, so i just go with greens and fruits shoved in a blender.  Smile

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