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    One of the women here on RA did Primal Blueprint and totally transformed herself.  I'll give her a heads-up on this thread in case she wants to chime in, herself.

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    Oh roo roooo!

      One of the women here on RA did Primal Blueprint and totally transformed herself.  I'll give her a heads-up on this thread in case she wants to chime in, herself.

       

      That would be great if she did--like I say, I have a lot of interest in this but not too much faith in a lot of the folks I see in some of the other forums, especially given the fact that many of them call running "chronic cardio" and view it pretty negatively.  Their view is that proper exercise consists of "lifting heavy things" and "sprinting".  It seems like that works for a lot of them, but I have absolutely no desire to go that route.  I would love to hear from someone who is a runner and has had success w/Primal.

       

      Thanks!

        Two years ago I did Maffetones '2-week-test' in which you don't eat ANY carbs or sugar (including fruit) for two entire weeks.  It's not a weight-loss thing, though you probably will lose weight.  It's to determine if you are eating too many carbs.  Supposedly most of us have way too much carbohydrate in our diets and it makes us sluggish blah blah blah.  

         I did end up losing about 5 lbs in the two weeks but I felt like I had more energy and my running was as good as before.  I gradually added in carbs but I don't eat nearly the amount  I used to eat before this 2 week thing.  My weight has remained in the low 150's (I used to range into the 170's and even 180's) and I'm still setting absolute PR's at 50 years old, though they're definitely coming farther and farther apart now.  I do attribute some part of my improved running to finding the right diet balance.  

          First question...  How do you know that you have much less lactic acid during higher effort?

           

          Second thing...  You're running slower in training (which can be read as "easier effort level"), and note that you feel fine after long runs (no sore muscles).  And you contribute this improved feeling to diet?  I'd say the bigger culprit in feeling good after long runs is the fact that you are running them easier than you were before.

           

          As to running faster in races...  I think that you're going to see race improvements at some point, but those will come more from better training than a low carb diet.

           

          I don't know, but my muscles don't feel as stingy and heavy during higher effort as soon as before. Now it must be said that higher effort simply means higher heart rate. And I have gotten much slower since the diet change at the same heart rate. I would say my heart rate is some 10-15 bpm higher at the same pace. So yeah, I guess you are right.

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            That would be great if she did--like I say, I have a lot of interest in this but not too much faith in a lot of the folks I see in some of the other forums, especially given the fact that many of them call running "chronic cardio" and view it pretty negatively.  Their view is that proper exercise consists of "lifting heavy things" and "sprinting".  It seems like that works for a lot of them, but I have absolutely no desire to go that route.  I would love to hear from someone who is a runner and has had success w/Primal.

             

            Thanks

             

            The folks on the other forms that call all running "chronic cardio" pretty much hate running.  Chronic cardio would be too many effots above 80% Max Heart Rate causing muscle to be consumed as fuel and increasing fat storage.  Sprinting is supposed to help the expression of testosterone.  Other than the sprint efforts and short heavy lifting sessions,  PB promotes exercise at less than 75% of Max Heart Rate.  Running at that effort included. 

             

            This morning I ran 10 miles at an 8:48 pace and an average heart rate of 135.  My Max Heart Rate is 180.  Granted, it was low 50F's this morning but there is no way I run that pace at that low of an average heart rate for that distance earlier this year.  In March I ran a 1/2 Marathon at an 8:16 average pace and my Heart Rate Average was 167.  I'm on track to log 3,000 miles again this year.  It's changing what I'm eating along with the running that's getting me there.

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                That would be great if she did--like I say, I have a lot of interest in this but not too much faith in a lot of the folks I see in some of the other forums, especially given the fact that many of them call running "chronic cardio" and view it pretty negatively.  Their view is that proper exercise consists of "lifting heavy things" and "sprinting".  It seems like that works for a lot of them, but I have absolutely no desire to go that route.  I would love to hear from someone who is a runner and has had success w/Primal.

                 

                Thanks!

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                Be careful not to spend too much time over on MDA, they are kinda cult like over there, and they don't understand running as a sport. Chronic Cardio by their definition is working at a medium/hard effort for longer distances more than once a week. Does not fit the Marathoner's mold at all. While I agree that too much of any good thing ain't good, It all depends on what your individual goals are. I am not a distance runner anymore, could not handle it, In fact, don't even keep a running log anymore, as I don't really " Train" for stuff anymore. that said, I still run 5k races, 8k races and really LOVE to run now, compared to when I first began 3 years ago, I did not. Injuries took over, and I just could not find a groove. I began a solid weight training/strength/conditioning program, cut the miles, and cleaned up my eating ( beginning with Body For Life) and lost the 20lbs of fat that I could not lose running, and eventually began looking at more holistic approaches to eating and wellness in general. That led me to the Primal/paleo movement and I have been for the last 2 years. I am not crazy cult like, I don't eat raw fleshy animals Wink but I do enjoy quality meats, coconut oil, real good bacon and lots of veggies. I also recently began adding things like Quinoa, Sweet Potatoes, and a few beans in here and there, as there are a few races I want to run this fall, and I simply just bonk too easy without some starchies. That has made a BIG difference in the gym in regards to my weight training as well, and even seems to be helping me lean out. The Added Muscle had transformed my running HUGE. The Hills I literally cried on 3 years ago I cannot WAIT to run now. With Stronger legs from all the muscle I added, the hills are no problem, and I also find that I recover much faster. I do one run a week that is about 5 miles or so, sometimes more, sometimes less, and 2 speed workouts a week of hard sprinting. I ran my fastest 5k last year. My fat blubbery running body got me a 30:00 5k, my lean running body got me that 5k in 27:24. Still not fast by most of these amazing runners here, but at 45 I will certainly take it. More importantly, I love running now, as i said before. Lastly, I would just say that you have to find a happy place that works for you and YOUR goals. For me, it's the NO Gluten of any kind. that is what seems to really cause a host of problems for me, from bloating, acne, lethargy. I find that I can eat some of the more non primal things like legumes and tubers with nothing but good results. Best of Luck to you! Let me know if you have any questions, just PM me.

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                Oh roo roooo!

                  RCR, thanks so much for taking the time to post!  I will indeed PM you later on.  Glad to hear you are feeling so much better and enjoying running!


                  A Saucy Wench

                    OK, for what it is worth I tried Primal Blueprint for about 5-6 months.  (and I have quite a bit of moderate carb experience a la SouthBeach or a diabetes type diet so its not like i was coming from a high carb runners diet)  I felt ok for the first several months, lost a little weight, but also lost a lot of my interest in most things that interested me .  Around 3-4 months in I developed severe GI problems  and it has taken months to bring them down to a manageable level and I still dont feel they are resolved.  While there are certain things about the diet that I think have merit (I actually dont eat grain that often any more and when I do it tends to be rice--along with the critique on some of the common "healthy" oils), I'm firmly convinced the diet has damaged my digestive tract.

                     

                    Whatever you do avoid the MDA forum like the plague.  Not feeling good on the diet?  You arent through carb flu yet. 4 months?  Try eliminating carbs altogether along with eggs, dairy, nightshades, nuts, etc. Pretty much brains and coconut oil are safe.  Starting to have some really severe symptoms that never ever occurred before in your life?  Mere coincidence, you are lucky you started the diet when you did because you were REALLY sick before and just didnt know it.   Oh, and wait, you are still running?  Well, you have to quit that, it's probably the source of all your problems.

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                      ... Pretty much brains and coconut oil are safe....

                       

                      Cliff Notes version.

                      It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


                      Imminent Catastrophe

                        You don't have to go all out. There's something to be said for reducing simple sugars, starches and refined grains.

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                         "To obtain the air that angels breathe you must come to Tahoe"--Mark Twain

                        "The most common question from potential entrants is 'I do not know if I can do this' to which I usually answer, 'that's the whole point'.--Paul Charteris, Tarawera Ultramarathon RD.

                         

                        √ Tahoe Rim Trail 100M 20/21 July 2013

                        Boston Marathon 21 April 2014

                        Tahoe Rim Trail 100M 19/20 July 2014


                        Oh roo roooo!

                          You don't have to go all out. There's something to be said for reducing simple sugars, starches and refined grains.

                           

                          And I guess this is where I'm at--trying to sort out the stuff that may actually be helpful from the "tinfoil hat" type stuff.  Starting about 6-7 years ago, I lost about 50 lbs over a 3-year period just thru "eating less and moving more."  Then I ran my first marathon, lost a littlemore while training for that, and have just been on this upward swing for the past 3 years.  Using the same methods I did back then only leaves me constantly hungry and NOT losing weight.  I keep thinking there's gotta be something more.....

                           

                          Regarding the "brains and coconut oil" thing, yeah, I used to go to MDA a lot and as time has gone on and people try Primal and DON'T have the magical results, there have to be various theories developed for why that is, spawning the "brains and coconut oil" factions.  Try reading some at Jack Kruse's site if you REALLY want to be befuddled.  Oy vey!

                           

                          Anyway, thanks to all who are posting here as I really appreciate the chance to hear some discussion of this from people who are pretty serious about their sport about how it has affected them for better or worse.


                          Imminent Catastrophe

                            Low carb diet follower

                            "Able to function despite imminent catastrophe"

                             "To obtain the air that angels breathe you must come to Tahoe"--Mark Twain

                            "The most common question from potential entrants is 'I do not know if I can do this' to which I usually answer, 'that's the whole point'.--Paul Charteris, Tarawera Ultramarathon RD.

                             

                            √ Tahoe Rim Trail 100M 20/21 July 2013

                            Boston Marathon 21 April 2014

                            Tahoe Rim Trail 100M 19/20 July 2014

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