What's your SPM (Steps per Minute)? (Read 565 times)

posted: 2/9/2010 at 2:14 PM

I recently had IT Band problems, and had to take about a month to 1.5 months off from running. I seen a good PT and he said I needed to keep stretching and start rolling my IT Band, so I began doing that, it did seem to help so I wasn't in much pain when I was walking around and twisting my knees. But it took some time before I was able to get back out to run, and even then, I was only able to run about a 1/2 mile before I was able to feel it in my knee. My brother-in-law let me barrow a DVD he had about how to run, and it really focused on running economy (i.e. SPM). So, basically after I watched this DVD I went out and counted my SPM and I think I was right around 160, so during that short 3/4 mile run I was counting my steps and trying to get to the DVD's recommendation of 180-184 SPM. So, my next run I was really focusing on keeping my SPM at 180 and I was able to run 1.5 miles and my knee felt great, with only a slight sign of pain towards the end. This was about 1.5 months ago, and after getting my body use to this new technique my time has actually been improving because I'm able to keep my fast pace up for a longer time. I'm back to just over 20 mpw and my base runs are up to 7 miles last week and will increase 1/2 mile each week.

 

Does anyone else monitor their SPM? If so, what is your SPM? I think in the latest Runners magazine it also talks about SPM in the running injury free.

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posted: 2/9/2010 at 2:32 PM
modified: 2/9/2010 at 2:34 PM

I don't think there's such a thing as "optimum SPM" though most elite runners do take around 180.  There had been a great runner whose SPM was maybe a bit less like high 160s and there had been a great marathon runner whose SPM was more like 200+.  There are a very tall runner and there are short stocky ones with short legs.  They obviously tend to take more steps than long-legged ones. 

 

Frankly I'm not quite sure trying to get to a narrow range of 180~184 would make you run injury-free; it sounds like one of those "gotta make some story head-line" attempt to me but obviouisly more smooth, economical strides, rather than loping ones, would lesson the possibility.  Being economical and fluid, yes.  But shooting for 180~184 or whatever the bogus number for stride frequency to reduce injury--doesn't seem to make whole heck of a lot of sense to me.  In the end, however, SPM depends so much on the individual and 4 (180 and 184) seems way too narrow to generlize.  Whose DVD is it anyways (I mean, not who owns it but who produced it)?  There are a lot of "how-to" video and there are a lot of "junk" out as well.  I've seen some on YouTube that was laughable.  This day and age with internet avaiability, whoever is most vocal would become the most expert.  Doesn't mean he/she knows Jack.  So be careful.

 

Mines is usually between 172~176 before I do any leg-speed work.  I have a watch that counts stride frequency though I don't always use it.  Like everything else, it takes some practice to get the optimum stride frequency (for the individual) but it's not by "willing through" but by working on your nervous system.  Some of the best exercises would be downhill striding or being pulled by a bike or using a catapult tube to be "thrown out" so you'd be working at the speed that you can't normally produce.  You can think about it all the time and count once in a while during your run but that could drive you crazy.

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posted: 2/9/2010 at 2:32 PM
I count from time to time.... I usually only count my right foot.  It's usually between 85-90.  I've never been able to get it much higher than that, but this post has encouraged me to try.
posted: 2/9/2010 at 2:37 PM
Mine sticks around 180 regardless of my pace, it feels good and natural that way for me.

Once I stopped heel striking I found that I took more strides (or I wasn't overstriding).
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posted: 2/9/2010 at 3:53 PM
Whenever I count, which is pretty rare these days, mine is almost exactly 180.  But I believe the act of counting forces me into that 180 spm and when not counting it probably varies some.  For this reason I count my strides during the latter stages of marathons to keep me from slipping into 'plod' mode.  It would be interesting to wear a stride counter to verify that my stride does, in fact, vary when I'm not consciously counting strides.
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posted: 2/9/2010 at 4:13 PM
I occassionally play around with cadence, when I'm bored and want something to do while running. Normally, I'm in the 172 to 178 range. The only time I get above 180 is when doing strides.

It seems the more I focus on this, the more aches and pains i have. A faster cadence just doesn't feel right to me. 
posted: 2/9/2010 at 4:31 PM

 I'm usually right around 180.  180-184 does strike me as a very narrow recommendation... I've read 170-190, which seems a bit more realistic.

 

Also:

Quote from Nobby415 on 2/9/2010 at 2:32 PM:

Some of the best exercises would be... using a catapult tube to be "thrown out" so you'd be working at the speed that you can't normally produce. 

 

 This sounds awesome.

 

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posted: 2/9/2010 at 4:45 PM
modified: 2/9/2010 at 4:46 PM
Quote from Nobby415 on 2/9/2010 at 2:32 PM:

 There are a lot of "how-to" video and there are a lot of "junk" out as well.  I've seen some on YouTube that was laughable.  This day and age with internet availability, whoever is most vocal would become the most expert.  Doesn't mean he/she knows Jack.  So be careful.

 

 

 

This is a very good point Nobby. It rings true in this community as well.

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posted: 2/9/2010 at 4:47 PM
Quote from Nobby415 on 2/9/2010 at 2:32 PM:

Some of the best exercises would be downhill striding or being pulled by a bike or using a catapult tube to be "thrown out" so you'd be working at the speed that you can't normally produce.

 

Nobby, you could also run on a treadmill with a short piece of bungee tubing attached to your belt at one end and the front of the treadmill at the other. You can adjust the pulling force by changing the length of the bungee, or your position on the treadmill (further back creates more tension), or both.

 

I did a study at the kinesiology lab at the University of Colorado a few years ago using this sort of setup. With the pulling force, I was able to run a 10k at about 2.5 minutes faster than my PR, but man did it make my hamstrings sore!


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posted: 2/9/2010 at 7:13 PM
I have been working on a shorter stride which in turn gives me more SPM @ the same pace.. I tend to count my steps in threes and make sure they are roughly 1sec per 3 steps.. I figure that keeps me somwehat close to 180 SPM.  If I drop below that I get lazy and start heel striking a lot more.  I did notice it was harder to run at that faster turnover (more effort) at first but I've adjusted.  I considered buying a Garmin foot pod, I think I read it will show my cadence but if I'm outside still use the GPS to track mileage.


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posted: 2/9/2010 at 7:24 PM

i have never counted my steps, but then again i dont run that much.

 

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posted: 2/9/2010 at 7:27 PM
Quote from another one on 2/9/2010 at 7:24 PM:

i have never counted my steps, but then again i dont know how to count

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posted: 2/9/2010 at 7:29 PM
Quote from another one on 2/9/2010 at 7:24 PM:

i have never counted my steps, but then again i dont run that much.

 

 

Usually my right foot is about 85 SPM, and my left is about 63 SPM.  OK, and there's alcohol involved.


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posted: 2/9/2010 at 7:33 PM
Trent brings up a valid point
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posted: 2/9/2010 at 10:59 PM
My SPM is 180 regardless of my speed. My slow jogs have very short strides and I still maintain 180 SPM. When I run faster, I lean more from the ankles and lengthen my stride out back not forward.
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