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| Hill workouts...? (Read 757 times) |
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posted: 4/7/2008 at 8:06 PM |
| Quote from Ennay on 4/6/2008 at 11:32 PM: I feel like I gain more on downhills than I lose on uphills...I wonder if that is because of how I normally train or if I am a downhill runner or whatever.
Zoomy---where is that tower? it looks really familiar...and scary as hell.
I get that downhill thing...ask backroadrunner abuot my downhills in our 15k a few weeks ago...I kept playing leapfrog with the folks who would pass me in the uphills. I flew down. 
That tower is in Peninsula State Park, Fish Creek, WI. There is a HM in the park in May that I'd like to do, but since I am already doing my marathon over there in Oct. and we're taking a road-trip to NC this Summer, that's too much $$ sunk on gas.
I like Nobby's suggestion of stadium steps. The HS does have a small stadium of sorts. Not sure how high it is, but at least a couple of stories, I think.
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posted: 4/7/2008 at 8:07 PM |
| Quote from Anya_ on 4/7/2008 at 7:46 PM: I may suck as a fast runner, but, I can DO hills. LOVE them. When I see a big one, I sort of drool..
We stayed at a ski resort last year ( in Michigan no less, Crystal Mountain ) and I did the "mountain" each day. Well, it was sort of just a big hill, but it must have been 3 miles up...
Yeah, Northern MI and the UP have some great hills...we're probably 2 hours from those nice, rolling "mountains." |
Kirsten
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posted: 4/7/2008 at 8:30 PM |
| Quote from Ennay on 4/7/2008 at 1:55 PM: ... I ran 10 last year and had a blast... By July we are grateful for the shade on the trails since we run at peak heat time...
Yep, of course leg 10 can be hot... it was 85-87 F when I ran it in a few years ago, and it would have been good to have some "heat training" by routinely running at peak heat time. Not much shade on leg 10, either, and the sun-baked asphalt can just radiate heat right back up.
Leg 22 was like a dream - wonderful in the middle of the night.
As far as hills go...
Government Camp to Timberline Lodge and back, then do it again.
(That was probably the year I was getting ready for Pike's Peak.)
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posted: 4/8/2008 at 1:18 AM |
| Quote from zoom-zoom on 4/7/2008 at 8:07 PM: Yeah, Northern MI and the UP have some great hills...we're probably 2 hours from those nice, rolling "mountains."
Tell me about. I am in Houghton, MI tonight for sales and I swear the whole trip was uphill. Felt like I was climbing a mountain to get to Houghton from Green Bay. |
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posted: 4/8/2008 at 4:03 PM |
| Sspeaking of Hills, Does anyone know of maps where you can get eleavation with the point to point distance. I love the maps here for plotting distances, but would like to measure some elevations as well. |
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posted: 4/8/2008 at 6:42 PM |
| Quote from lph53 on 4/8/2008 at 4:03 PM: I love the maps here for plotting distances, but would like to measure some elevations as well.
Click the squiggly icon, in this screenshot it appears above 7.62
I think if you save the map after clicking the squiggly, it will display the elevation each time you view it.
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posted: 4/9/2008 at 1:12 AM |
| Quote from Tchuck on 4/8/2008 at 1:18 AM: Tell me about. I am in Houghton, MI tonight for sales and I swear the whole trip was uphill. Felt like I was climbing a mountain to get to Houghton from Green Bay.
Heh. I went to Michigan Tech for two years. It is said that everything in Houghton is up a hill, down a hill or around a hill. Take a run from downtown, er "downtown" up to the SDC...yeah, when they block roads off for the winter, you got two things...a shitload o' snow, and some steep azz hills. |
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posted: 4/9/2008 at 3:28 AM
modified: 4/9/2008 at 3:31 AM |
So would this route be considered a hill run? I am not sure if this has enough elevation change to be considered a hill run. Thanks.
http://www.runningahead.com/maps/b7d9fb523d4a4be289f3baa3f21c2099
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posted: 4/9/2008 at 8:24 AM |
Derrick, Hill runs can be a lot of different things, and their usefulness depends on your goals. In your case, it looks like you have about 275 ft of up and similar down in a litttle over 4 mi, which averages close to a few % slope and the largest climb is about 110ft. You've got 2 larger hills and 2 smaller hills. If you're training for flatter races, these kinds of hills can be nice - gentle enough that your form isn't altered and downhills are tolerable. If you're experienced with hills, you might be able to do a constant-effort tempo run over the course, but that may not be useful to your goals and would not be suitable if you haven't built up some downhill strength and technique first.
If you're training for hilly races, you might want something bigger or steeper to provide more resistance. (In my case training for hilly trail races, I might have bigger hills. BUT none of those would be suitable for many road races since they're relatively steep and definitely focus on "up" rather than "forward". I probably have at least half a dozen types of hilly runs that I do, each with their own purpose.)
You could use some Lydiard hill drills to develop more power in your legs and improve form. I'll do this in the spring and winter on some hills when good traction may be limited to a small section of trail. |
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posted: 4/9/2008 at 4:22 PM |
| Thanks BadDawg, I've never saved a course before, just plotted them, so I'll check it out. |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 12:12 PM |
| Quote from lph53 on 4/9/2008 at 4:22 PM: Thanks BadDawg, I've never saved a course before, just plotted them, so I'll check it out.
You're very welcome, there's no sense leaving the web's finest running site when everything you need is right here. |
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2008 goal: HTFU and BQ at BayState Marathon
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 4:16 PM |
Thamks AK, Just starting out on trying Hills to mix up the running base I am laying down. I like the difference in effort I have to put out in a small distance to maintain pace. Any recommendations for reading on form on hills?
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 7:51 PM
modified: 4/10/2008 at 7:53 PM |
| Quote from Echo on 4/10/2008 at 4:16 PM: Thamks AK, Just starting out on trying Hills to mix up the running base I am laying down. I like the difference in effort I have to put out in a small distance to maintain pace. Any recommendations for reading on form on hills?
Derrick
For hills like you're running, there's at least 2 ways of running them - constant pace like you're apparently doing (which makes them an effort fartlek, which is good for strength and cardio) or constant effort, which can be good training when you get into larger hills when you will be slower on the uphill.
Here's the one I refer to most for form description: http://www.skyrunner.com/story/ups_downs.htm
This is a video demonstrating some of the Lydiard hill drills:
http://www.lydiardfoundation.org/training/hilltrainingdvd.html
If you look on the menu on the right of that page you'll find some other links for slides of drills.
Big thing is on uphill, stay vertical (lifted by skyhook), and on downhills lean from ankles enough that you're body is perpendicular to ground (helps you "stick" to the ground and keep from slipping, more of an issue on steeper trails). |
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