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How much to eat in 12 hr race? (Read 163 times)

    What I find intersting is Wing arrived at the same conclusion via these calculations completely in his own as generally recommended- between 200-300 but usually closer to 250.   Nice!

     

    Don't forget that Wing only weighs 122lbs also.  I don't think he would have to eat as much as I would during the same race since I weigh 205lbs.  

    Age: 46 Weight: 200 Height: 6'2" (Goal weight 195)

    Current PR's:  Mara 3:48:09; HM 1:43:26; 10K 43:59; 5K 21:27

    Jon the Freshman


      If it were me I wouldn't necessarily get caught up in the calorie game. with it only being a two mile loop you can just as easily play it by feel. to me just because an internet calculator spit out some number doesnt mean your tied to it. By completeing your b2b long runs you'll know when your body needs fuel. by knowing this you can keep a steady stream of calories throughout the whole race but also know when to bump your intake to keep your body running smooth. Another way of going about it is to keep it simple and eat when your hungry or at least when you know you should. this will help keep eating as enjoyable as possible while also meeting your intake needs. everything is entirely based solely on what you respond best to so just keep that in mind.

        Not for nothing but this thread pretty much solidifies for me that I will never, ever, ever do an ultra. Like ever.

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            I did a 50 miler in May and ate 150-200 calories per hour (for 10 hours). I weigh 120 pounds, so I'm pretty close in size to you. I mostly ate Gu, Clif bars (carried both of these things) and Gatorade (when passing aid stations), but at the main aid station I also ate a TON of pita bread w/ peanut butter - probably 500-600 calories worth, if not more. I was really worried about the eating/drinking situation beforehand but I mostly ended up just doing what felt right, and everything worked out pretty well.

              Not for nothing but this thread pretty much solidifies for me that I will never, ever, ever do an ultra. Like ever.

               

              +1

              At least not a short loop one. Going around and around the same loop for 12 hours is fun?

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              1800 miles; 5k < 25:00; 10k < 53:00HM < 2:00

               

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              HobbyJogger & HobbyRacer

                 

                +1

                At least not a short loop one. Going around and around the same loop for 12 hours is fun?

                 

                It's exciting every time you see the aid station coming.

                It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


                On On

                   

                  +1

                  At least not a short loop one. Going around and around the same loop for 12 hours is fun?

                  Yes, it is a lot of fun. You get to see everyone else in the race as it is going on. You get a chance to talk with your fellow competitors and make friendships.

                   

                   

                  As for the original post and some suggestions about calorie intake.  It is better to take in more calories early and then stop versus eat when hungry.  Your stomach may shut down later when hungry (because all the blood is going to your legs) and then the food will just sit in your stomach.  You do not need to finish the race calorie neutral either.  It is ok to finish at a deficit.

                    Not for nothing but this thread pretty much solidifies for me that I will never, ever, ever do an ultra. Like ever.

                     

                    Eh, the first few hours is fun.    Then you inevitably hit a wall and question why you actually paid $$$ to sign up.  There is usually an hour or two of hell.

                     

                    ....Then you break through that wall, catch a second wind (natural high?) and often finish out the race pretty strong and in good spirits if you are on goal pace, or ahead of your goal.   Then you spend the next year really glad you went through it and accomplished something that very few people have.

                     

                    So, I'd argue that there are only a couple hours when you are feeling "terrible" and all the rest is positive times and memories.

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                    Joggaholic

                       Then you inevitably hit a wall and question why you actually paid $$$ to sign up.  There is usually an hour or two of hell.

                       

                       

                      I need to remember that trick...


                      Will run for scenery.

                        Not for nothing but this thread pretty much solidifies for me that I will never, ever, ever do an ultra. Like ever.

                         

                        I had the opposite reaction :  28 trips to an all-U-can-eat snack bar and no weight gain ? Sign me up !

                        Stupid feet!

                        Stupid elbow!

                           

                          I had the opposite reaction :  28 trips to an all-U-can-eat snack bar and no weight gain ? Sign me up !

                           

                          -- Sign up for the 12, 24, 48, or 72 hour race at "Three Days at the Fair" in NJ, and you get to run past a full kitchen serving all types of food throughout the entire event. (Eggs and BACON + Pancakes and syrup) were being served at the conclusion of the race.   Also, you run right past this once every mile, so up that number of "28 trips" to as many miles as you can do in one of the above races.  Way more than 28.  All you can eat.!

                           

                          (Granted, personally I was so focused on keeping moving when I did the 12 hour event that I never stopped to eat anything here until the Bacon came out at the end.)   Next year, different strategy. :-)

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                          A Sweetheart

                             

                            At least not a short loop one. Going around and around the same loop for 12 hours is fun?

                             

                            Yes. And going around a short loop (especially a 400m track) for 24 hours is even funnerer.

                             

                            I fuel for a 12 hour the way I fuel for a half marathon, the way I fuel for a marathon, the way I fuel for a 100 miler, the way I fuel for a 24 hour. One gel every 40 minutes. Sometimes I drink water, sometimes I do sports drink, sometimes I do ginger ale (good for a queasy stomach), and sometimes I do Mountain Dew (white trash rocket fuel!).  I let my body tell me what I need. I will sometimes have the urge for real food later in a long race. Twizzlers or chips do the job. I don't over think this. My body lets me know what it needs.  I have no idea how many calories I am burning, I have no idea how many calories I consume.

                             

                            The only time I get in trouble with this plan (and this shamefully happens way too often), is when I don't keep to my gu schedule.  "I'll take one next lap", "I'll get to it in a minute".  Sometimes simple tasks seem like extraordinary efforts when all you are trying to do is run. When I am disciplined and on schedule, this works perfectly for me.

                            I want to do it because I want to do it.  -Amelia Earhart

                             

                            Tennessee Beer Mile Queen

                               

                              Yes. And going around a short loop (especially a 400m track) for 24 hours is even funnerer.

                               

                              I fuel for a 12 hour the way I fuel for a half marathon, the way I fuel for a marathon, the way I fuel for a 100 miler, the way I fuel for a 24 hour. One gel every 40 minutes. Sometimes I drink water, sometimes I do sports drink, sometimes I do ginger ale (good for a queasy stomach), and sometimes I do Mountain Dew (white trash rocket fuel!).  I let my body tell me what I need. I will sometimes have the urge for real food later in a long race. Twizzlers or chips do the job. I don't over think this. My body lets me know what it needs.  I have no idea how many calories I am burning, I have no idea how many calories I consume.

                               

                              The only time I get in trouble with this plan (and this shamefully happens way too often), is when I don't keep to my gu schedule.  "I'll take one next lap", "I'll get to it in a minute".  Sometimes simple tasks seem like extraordinary efforts when all you are trying to do is run. When I am disciplined and on schedule, this works perfectly for me.

                              This is the first post on "fueling" that didn't turn me off from ultra running.  I just hate the idea of turning running into a big mission involving eating strategies.  Eating is is eating.  Running is running.

                              "If you have the fire, run..." -John Climacus

                                 I just hate the idea of turning running into a big mission involving eating strategies.  Eating is is eating.  Running is running.

                                 

                                This isn't any different in the marathon.  Most marathon training programs advocate getting your fueling routine down before race day, including how often, what type, etc.  I've never heard anyone tell me they won't run a marathon because they don't want to worry about eating.

                                 

                                Until you get above 50 miles or probably somewhere over 12 hours your fueling strategy won't be significantly different from the marathon, take a gel every 20-40 minutes and the beverage of your choosing.  Some people turn fueling into an obsession, but it doesn't need to be any more important than what clothes or shoes you wear on race day.

                                 

                                BTW, if you want to read about what truly goes into a perfectly executed ultra- check out Pam Smith's WS100 race strategy recap.

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