Run less to run faster...? New 5k PR and new 5k goal (Read 1086 times)

Hmm... "If you exceed this limit, the exercise becomes anaerobic. When this happens, your body’s metabolism changes to supply the oxygen you need to supplement the amount of oxygen you are breathing in."

 

 

Wow. Where can I get one of those bodies that generates extra oxygen?

 

Are you actually sincerely asking a question or simply making a mockery?

We're not talking about "extra oxygen"; there's no extra oxygen--that's why we get oxygen debt.  If you want the body that can "take in and utilize" more oxygen, you can get that by working out.

I wasn't questioning the training principles, merely pointing out that the physiology description is a bit suspect.

I didn't see any sign of you "merely pointing out" physiological desciption in what you had said.

It was written in the late 1970s and we know it's not quite accurate and that's why we had tried to include some footnotes.  There had been many, many, many people, particularly at letsrun.com message board, criticized Lydiard (particularly after he's been dead) and I've been asking a better way to explain and so far NONE of them had come to me with it.  Just this past weekend, I had discussed some points with Dick Brown who actually has PhD in exercise physiology.  We do have people like Peter Snell and Dave Martin, among others, on board who had gone through our materials and had given them blessings.  If you have the correct information, better way to explain and the sourse, we'll be all ears.  Everybody, even at letsrun.com message board, knows my actual e-mail address though none of those critics (except for one) had revealed their identities.  You can send me your opinion your way of explanation any time.  Just in case if it's too much for you to look up, it's nobby415@msn.com

Purdey:

I'm trying to print out a training schedule from Dick Brown's program but the printing is screwed up and not working well.  As soon as I do that, I'll scan them and send them to you.  Just wanted to let you know I hadn't been ignoring you... ;o)

 

 

a) when race times fall off

b) when nothing significant is in the near future

 

 

So,  quest-ee-on for you.   I peeked at your log.  Are you really running everything at 7-8 minute/mile pace?  This is pretty quick for someone running 21ish for 5k times.

Yes I do run at this pace and and I have noticed that as I drop the amount of miles I do each week, I can go faster and the run still seems as easy, which I'm assuming has something to do with this whole cycle/ peaking issue that everyone on here seems to know so much about.

 Well heeeellllooo I just figured this out and think this is the greatest "new" thing ever.

I feel like I've finally figured out not only how to prepare for races, but I feel like I've adopted this new mental toughness and strategy for racing. So yeah, that 21 ish 5 k times. I'm working on fixing that.

But I don't think it's half bad for someone who was a sprinter just 3 short years ago and only actually began training for running anything longer than 400m about 2 years ago lol

Anyway I think this Lydiard guy might be on to something.... (forget the fact that he was writing over 50 years ago lol)

 
Did you get the part that JimR said about 7-8min/mile training being too fast for someone who runs a 21min 5K?  I wasn't sure from your comments.

A good rule of thumb you'll hear from most coaches is that your easy runs should be about 2 minutes/mile slower than your 5K race pace. Even guys like Pete Magill say to "slow down on the easy days." 

 

A good rule of thumb you'll hear from most coaches is that your easy runs should be about 2 minutes/mile slower than your 5K race pace. Even guys like Pete Magill say to "slow down on the easy days." 

 
I think I might have worded my question to Kim poorly.   I should have said something like "did you notice that JimR pointed out that you're running too fast."  I was just pointing to Jim's comments instead of telling her to slow down in most of her training.

Thanks everyone for the input! I am taking all of your comments into serious consideration while I consider changing my training schedule.

JimR - I did not mean to brush off your comment and I know that I am probably running my easy days too quickly; I will work on that. I think it's part of being young and inexperienced that makes me run everything too quickly.

Jill - Thank you for your input, you are the first person who has experienced benefits of "running less" and believe me I would run every day (super fast too, if my body would let me w/o injuries and if that was good for me, but that is just dumb)

One of the things I have noticed (especially if you peek at my log) is that the months I did the most miles, I did them the slowest. Moving into at least 2 rest days a week really has helped me to put more effort into my other runs. I guess I just need to slow down on those easy days and reap the benefits

Also, Denrunner, I didn't take offense to your comment, I know most people around here aren't trying to be dinks  I knew you were trying to help