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Superhuman or just a good Endurance Runner? (Read 459 times)

Mysecondnewname


    I'd like to see Dean clear the air on this incident as well.  Sounds like something fishy went down.

     

    That said, I doubt he Kip Littoned it.  There's just nothing to be gained for him by intentionally cheating.

     

    I agree Dean has a sometimes-annoying knack for promotion (weren't we just criticizing the elites for lacking this in another thread?).

     

    However, although he is clearly not perfect, I do think he's a good ambassador for the sport.

      Dean isn't "Elite". And.. sometimes annoying.. that's putting it mildly. Its pretty debatable if hes good for the sport.

       

      I agree Dean has a sometimes-annoying knack for promotion (weren't we just criticizing the elites for lacking this in another thread?).

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      bhearn


         hahahaha I was about to type "10 years ago called, and want's its Dean bashing thread back" ;-P

        Hate to bump this thread but...

         

        Yeah, well.

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          But can he run a 14min 5K without training?

          It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


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            .... One example, that 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days? He wasn't the first to do that. It wasn't his idea. It was Sam Thompson. He did it to raise money for Katrina victims. As he was completing his 50, Dean decided that would be a nice thing to do, and write a book about. So Dean is Mr. 50-in-50-in-50.

             

             

            Neither was the first to do 50 in 50.  Terry Fox did a little more. 93 more, to be precise. A total of 143 days straight

             

            And he did them all on one leg. Now THAT's a superstar!

             

            Sorry, Dean Karnazes does not measure up.

             


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              Neither was the first to do 50 in 50.  Terry Fox did a little more. 93 more, to be precise. A total of 143 days straight

               

              And he did them all on one leg. Now THAT's a superstar!

               

               

              With all due respect to Terry Fox, he did take days off for recovery and treatment along those 143 days. 
              He did run the miles and do the time, and average more than a marathon a day, but, he did take days off in late June (after 60 consecutive days, and before another 60 consecutive days) in order to run through Ottawa on Canada Day.

               

              But, yes, he was (and is) a superstar.  Thanks for the reminder.

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                Yeah, but that stuff is obsolete anyway I think -- haven't several people run 50mi/day for a while?

                It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


                Uh oh... now what?

                  A not-quite-satisfactory explanation (preapology for posting here, I am not a regular):

                   

                  http://thegardenisland.com/news/local/ultramarathon-man-removed-from-race/article_2d803532-1aa0-11e3-b1d9-0019bb2963f4.html

                   

                  This has caused a heated "debate" around here about being aware of "things"

                  and inner honesty when stepping onto the awards podium.  It is not like the

                  getting lost while on course (unless you take a shortcut to get back on the

                  course---an infamous thing in ultramarathons long ago) thing.  There does not

                  seem to be disagreement about Karnazes covering the distance, only in the

                  idea of no official starting time.  That should be enough to prevent a typically

                  aware runner from walking to the podium--an explanation with holes.  This

                  just gets worse as I run it over in my head... I suppose he was just thinking

                  of making up ground, not of any need to check in with someone at a starting

                  line that was probably already in some stage of confusion... bbbyyy

                  bhearn


                    A not-quite-satisfactory explanation (preapology for posting here, I am not a regular):

                     

                    http://thegardenisland.com/news/local/ultramarathon-man-removed-from-race/article_2d803532-1aa0-11e3-b1d9-0019bb2963f4.html

                     

                    That's about what I expected. I'd contacted Bill Buley, the author of that article -- he hadn't known Dean had been DQed, and promised to get the scoop and do another story. Personally I buy Dean's explanation.

                     

                    There does not seem to be disagreement about Karnazes covering the distance, only in the

                    idea of no official starting time.  That should be enough to prevent a typically

                    aware runner from walking to the podium--an explanation with holes.

                     

                    Well, there is still my friend (2AG, now 1AG), who says "Bob he honestly jumped into the race from his condo and honestly did not run the Marathon and honestly thought he should get an award ahead of someone that ran the distance honestly."

                     

                    But I have not heard details of how he knows this. Sounds to me like Dean actually ran 6-7 minutes faster than his recorded gun time (not to mention the few miles he ran to the start). In his situation, I don't think I would feel too guilty about accepting gun time as my start time, with the mat gone, and still accepting my AG award.

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                      He's still Iraq's greatest ever sprinter...


                      Uh oh... now what?

                        Sorry, I just added a bit to my original post.  I have defended Karnazes on several

                        editorials things over the years.  This one leaves me wondering and evolves to a

                        "What would I do" sort of thing.  The "mat" thing--does that mean there was

                        chip timing?  I am left with no problem on looking at it as a completed marathon,

                        but with no verification of his start, the award part goes away.


                        Feeling the growl again

                           

                          That's about what I expected. I'd contacted Bill Buley, the author of that article -- he hadn't known Dean had been DQed, and promised to get the scoop and do another story. Personally I buy Dean's explanation.

                           

                           

                          Well, there is still my friend (2AG, now 1AG), who says "Bob he honestly jumped into the race from his condo and honestly did not run the Marathon and honestly thought he should get an award ahead of someone that ran the distance honestly."

                           

                          But I have not heard details of how he knows this. Sounds to me like Dean actually ran 6-7 minutes faster than his recorded gun time (not to mention the few miles he ran to the start). In his situation, I don't think I would feel too guilty about accepting gun time as my start time, with the mat gone, and still accepting my AG award.

                           

                           

                          I can see why someone would still accept an award if they got there late and crossed the start but there was no mat there.  Some smaller races use a finishing mat only, no starting mat (ie no chip time, only gun time).


                          I can also see why an RD would rightly DQ someone with no starting time recorded by the chip.

                           

                          I guess they are gone now but it would be interesting if his split time to the first mat were available; it would not for sure tell you if he started from his condo but it would tell you if his first split was significantly slow (consistent with his story) and if he gained some sort of time advantage.

                           

                          It is curious that he claims he told a bunch of officials, yet it was not officially brought to the RD's attention until the timer did so a few days later...

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                          bhearn


                             It is curious that he claims he told a bunch of officials, yet it was not officially brought to the RD's attention until the timer did so a few days later...

                             

                            Probably the officials were fine with it until my friend complained.

                              His story, like a lot of things related do Karno, just kind of smells funny.

                               

                              I wish he'd just fade away.

                               

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                              bhearn


                                I guess they are gone now but it would be interesting if his split time to the first mat were available; it would not for sure tell you if he started from his condo but it would tell you if his first split was significantly slow (consistent with his story) and if he gained some sort of time advantage.

                                 

                                In his first story, Bill Buley says that Dean passed him about mile 4, and finished about 13 minutes ahead of him. That seems reasonably consistent to me.

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