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How evil is racing a 10k eight days before a marathon? (Read 706 times)

    Well, considering that my training schedule has the Thursday before the marathon workout as 2wu+8(400@5kw400r)+2cd, I wonder how much harm I would do by racing a10k five days before that.  I guess as long as I can still hit my paces I'll be OK.  I've never done speed work that close to a marathon before anyway.

    Once you alter the program (like adding a 10k race 8 days before), you'd also need to adjust the rest of the plan.  i don't know the Hanson's plan that you've been following calls for a hard effort of 10k-ish, race or even time trial or tempo run, but it not, you'd better adjust the Thursday's workout.  Otherwise, just as you had suspected here, chances are that it'll be too much to do both.  If they put down a hard effort 3 days before, there's got to be a reason for it.  If there's NOT another hard effort 5 days before that, again, there's got to be a reason for it and, now you're adding a hard effort, even if you're not running it all-out, you'll need to adjust this 8X400 workout accordingly.  You can't afford to change one thing and not to adjust the rest; that's just a poor application.

      Quote from RVDowning on 12/18/2012 at 4:26 PM:

      Well, considering that my training schedule has the Thursday before the marathon workout as 2wu+8(400@5kw400r)+2cd, I wonder how much harm I would do by racing a10k five days before that.  I guess as long as I can still hit my paces I'll be OK.  I've never done speed work that close to a marathon before anyway.

       

       

       

      That may not be true.  It's easy to overdo a sharpening workout  (because of your other race 5 days prior to it) and make it a race effort just to hit the paces.  

        PS: By the way, it is not "evil" at all to race a week before the marathon.  In fact, if you've done everything correctly, it's not rare at all that you'd PR and then go on and do really well in the marathon.  Frank Shorter did it in the Olympics (27:51 for 5th in 10 and 2:12 for gold).  Tea Olive set her 10k PR by more than a minute a few weeks before her first marathon.  Another guy I know, following the same program, set 45-second PR in 10 (I believe) a week before his first sub-3.  

          That may not be true.  It's easy to overdo a sharpening workout  (because of your other race 5 days prior to it) and make it a race effort just to hit the paces.  

          Very good, HappyFeet!  Obi-wan...(breathe, breathe)...has taught you well, Luke. (breathe, breathe) You have learnt well...(breathe, breathe).


          old woman w/hobby

            PS: By the way, it is not "evil" at all to race a week before the marathon.  In fact, if you've done everything correctly, it's not rare at all that you'd PR and then go on and do really well in the marathon.  Frank Shorter did it in the Olympics (27:51 for 5th in 10 and 2:12 for gold).  Tea Olive set her 10k PR by more than a minute a few weeks before her first marathon.  Another guy I know, following the same program, set 45-second PR in 10 (I believe) a week before his first sub-3.  

             

            MTA: Second marathon / Running Wizard cycle:

             

            3/25/2012 Run Race 35.5 mi 7:21:15 12:26
            3/17/2012 Run Race 26.2 mi 3:56:46 9:03
            3/10/2012 Run Race 6.2 mi 49:40 8:05
            2/26/2012 Run Race 13.1 mi 1:48:33 8:18

              

            >4min 13.1,    >1min 10k,   5min 26.2 

             

            Four weeks: 

            All PRs off Nobby's Running Wizard training plan.    

            Okay, the 50k Fat Ass was my first so it was going to be

            a PR regardlessSmile

            steph  

             

            OCD  If you don't laugh...   

              MTA: Before second marathon:

               

              3/25/2012 Run Race 35.5 mi 7:21:15 12:26
              3/17/2012 Run Race 26.2 mi 3:56:46 9:03
              3/10/2012 Run Race 6.2 mi 49:40 8:05
              2/26/2012 Run Race 13.1 mi 1:48:33 8:18

               

              Four weeks: 

              All PRs off Nobby's Running Wizard training plan.    

              Okay, the 50k Fat Ass was my first so it was going to be

              a PR regardlessSmile

              Hey!  Thanks for chipping in!!  So how much of a PR were those?  Or were they a PR?  I vaguely remember you had something like 50-seconds PR in 10k or something with the first marathon...???  How about these for the second marathon?  I though you said your half was a PR...

               

              And how are things going nowadays?

                Why do you run?  Unless you're someone who gets paid to run and win and wear logos -- probably because it's fun and at some level, you enjoy it. Right?  You like the 10K, run the 10K. If the marathon's a bigger goal, then dial in the 10K effort to the level that reflects your focus on the marathon the next week.

                 

                Of course, you could twist an ankle, fall, or whatever -- but that's the same risk you take just out jogging on your own.

                 

                Also, 10ks are not so easy to come by.

                "If you have the fire, run..." -John Climacus


                day after day sameness

                  Also, 10ks are not so easy to come by.

                   

                  Nobody has time for distance races any more...requires too much time away from Facebook.

                  Choosing my words carefully has never been my strength I've been known to be vague and often pointless


                  old woman w/hobby

                    Hey!  Thanks for chipping in!!  So how much of a PR were those?  Or were they a PR?  I vaguely remember you had something like 50-seconds PR in 10k or something with the first marathon...???  How about these for the second marathon?  I though you said your half was a PR...

                     

                    And how are things going nowadays?

                     

                    Hi, Nobby - I have amended the above with times.

                    Yes, all were PR's last spring during my second marathon training cycle.

                     

                    Looking back through my log I think that the 10k during the first marathon cycle was

                    close to two min PR.

                    steph  

                     

                    OCD  If you don't laugh...   

                      Hi, Nobby - I have amended the above with times.

                      Yes, all were PR's last spring during my second marathon training cycle.

                       

                      Looking back through my log I think that the 10k during the first marathon cycle was

                      close to two min PR.

                      Wow!  Even more impressive than I'd expected!! ;o)  Congratulations!!

                       

                      Say, did you know we (Running Wizard) now have the Facebook?  Can you join in and share your experience?  JML has been contributing there a lot too.  I'd appreciate it if you could do the same too.  Thanks!  And keep up the good running!! ;o)


                      old woman w/hobby

                        Sorry, Nobby.  I don't have Face Book account.  

                         

                        Every time I think that I might create a Face Book account,

                        they do something that  I find sneaky / creepy.

                         

                        MTA:  Feel free to quote though.

                        steph  

                         

                        OCD  If you don't laugh...   

                          Sorry, Nobby.  I don't have Face Book account.  

                           

                          Every time I think that I might create a Face Book account,

                          they do something that  I find sneaky / creepy.

                           

                          MTA:  Feel free to quote though.

                          Oh, goodie then!  I'll just write about you (whether it's true or not!! ;o)).  No, seriously, we definitely count yours as a success story and we always like to share a success story.

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