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Mild PF? Need for more stability? (Read 1012 times)


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    ZZ, Sorry your ducks are bumming you out. I forwarded a link of your post to Jim, as I don't think he checks in here regularly. Cheers, Jeff
    Big grin I thought you might... Yeah, stupid feet. As a kid I had high arches, too. I think one of these days my feet might completely flatten. I might as well have pancakes fer feets... Tongue What I've been reading about that tendonitis definitely sounds a LOT like what I am dealing with. I'm hoping this is something I can treat myself...though I do NOT want to be told that I have to rest. Wink k

    I shoot pretty things! ~

    '14 Goals:

    • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

    • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)


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      I bought some semi-firm gel/foam heel cushion things to put under my regular insoles after reading that this can help with achilles and foot tendonitis issues. Ran 11 easy miles today. The first 3-4 miles my shins and knees complained a little, but then they seemed to adapt to the slightly elevated heel positioning. The extra cushioning in my heels was kind of nice, too, since I tend to be a pretty hard heel striker. My right arch felt significantly better...a little tender, but no more of the twingey/snapping sensation. I'm going to try these in my other 2 pair of running shoes to see how that works, too. This sure would be a great solution at <$4/pair. i have also been wearing some cheap knock-off birkenstocks in the house, instead of going barefoot. this is definitely making my feet much happier. i think my days of walking around barefoot all summer are numbered. k air.="" i="" have="" also="" been="" wearing="" some="" cheap="" knock-off="" birkenstocks="" in="" the="" house,="" instead="" of="" going="" barefoot.="" this="" is="" definitely="" making="" my="" feet="" much="" happier.="" i="" think="" my="" days="" of="" walking="" around="" barefoot="" all="" summer="" are="" numbered.=""></$4/pair. i have also been wearing some cheap knock-off birkenstocks in the house, instead of going barefoot. this is definitely making my feet much happier. i think my days of walking around barefoot all summer are numbered. k>

      I shoot pretty things! ~

      '14 Goals:

      • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

      • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)

        I had high arches as a kid too. About the time I started a stay-on-your-feet-all-day job they decided they wanted to fall down. Sad I also got PF shortly after that too, though I didn't know what it was. From time to time it seems I still flirt with PF. When I notice my feet starting to hurt again, I make sure to stretch out my calves in the morning before getting out of bed, and this really helps. If you sleep on your belly and don't hang your feet over the bottom of the bed then you're pointing your feet all night long... which can shorten your calves. I think you mentioned earlier that you have chronically tight calves? This might be contributing to the problem. It certainly shouldn't hurt to pay a little extra attention to stretching out those calves, especially first thing in the morning, even before getting out of bed. If you're as bad as I've been then simply pulling up on your toes by using your shin muscles should be enough to stretch them... Switching shoes and adding some cushy insoles also helped, but that was only a temporary solution. Ibuprofin and stretching was my permanent solution, though there are many other fixes for PF...

        Roads were made for journeys...


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          I had high arches as a kid too. About the time I started a stay-on-your-feet-all-day job they decided they wanted to fall down. Sad I also got PF shortly after that too, though I didn't know what it was.
          Where did you feel your PF issues? I'm thinking that what I have isn't actually PF, since it's on the outside edge of my arch, not the inner side. I'm starting to suspect tendonitis, though it seems that the treatments and symptoms are pretty similar, other than exact location of the pain. I still stretch the heck outta my lower legs--both before and after each run--but still have tightness issues pretty frequently. I've never been a belly sleeper, so at least I know that that wouldn't be a contributing factor. I'm a lifelong fetal position gal. But I can definitely see where sleeping on one's belly with toes pointed could cause issues. k

          I shoot pretty things! ~

          '14 Goals:

          • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

          • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)

            I had pain in my arches, behind the ball of my foot, and directly in front of the heel. Mostly it was one long line running along the bottom of my foot, though the exact location of the pain moved a bit through the couple months that I was dealing with this.

            Roads were made for journeys...

            Jim Pouillon


              I saw 2 cuboid stress fractures in the last month from people building up for the River Bank run, but stress fractures don't feel better/worse/better so I doubt you have one. I have been running in supportive shoes for years and recently fell in live with cushioned shoes, even though everything I know about my feet and running biomechanics says otherwise. I'm at River Valley Orthopedics in downtown GR and a new office on the corner of M6 and Byron Center Rd (very easy to get to this one). The outdated website is www.rvorthopedics.com but I'm not on it yet, as well as several other docs. What you haven't done yet is put a cuboid pad or a post on the bottom of your OTC arch support, and this could be just enough to tip the balance towards healing. Jim


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                What you haven't done yet is put a cuboid pad or a post on the bottom of your OTC arch support, and this could be just enough to tip the balance towards healing. Jim
                Hey, Jim! Big grin I wonder if my OTC orthotics might be a bit too stable. When I tried running in them they almost immediately made my lower legs and knees hurt, then my feet started numbing up and eventually I even felt some numbness in my quads--which was a completely new sensation. I tried them in my least stable shoes, too. I'm wondering if the same orthotics in a non-stability shoe might not be so controlling. My right foot is definitely feeling better with each passing day since the middle of last week. Hopefully the indoor shoes and heel lifts are all I need. I am definitely going to hit Gazelle Sports once I need to replace my favorite shoes (NB 1222--a cushioned moderate stability shoe...similar to the Asics Gel Kayano from what I read) and see if I might want to try a different shoe, though if my current fixes work, I may just stick with what I'm doing now. I'm now kind of wondering if my issues are related to hills and speedwork. In the last few days it occurred to me that my foot pain started right around the time that I started back with more than just easy and long runs, as I had stuck to all Winter. I need to go back in my log and see if I can pinpoint when the outer foot pains first started. Interesting that you have had patients with issues training for Riverbank Run. I wonder how many folks don't run all Winter and then try to make up for lost time come March and April. I kept my mileage in the 15-20 mile/week range all Winter. I can't even imagine trying to get back into racing condition after so many months off. Mother Nature did her best to trash my efforts, but I showed her who the stubborn chick really is! Wink k

                I shoot pretty things! ~

                '14 Goals:

                • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

                • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)


                Needs more cowbell!

                  Interesting...I just looked back at my log and the first workout when I really remember the arch issues bothering me significantly was 3 days after a semi-miserable hill workout in mid-April. It was also on my longest run to date at that point...hmmm....

                  I shoot pretty things! ~

                  '14 Goals:

                  • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

                  • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)

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