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    Because of the crappy weather, I went to a gym as a guest and paid $10 to run their treadmill to get my 10 miles in. It felt SO different. How do treadmills compare to road/path/trail miles for those who regularly use both? I don't have a heart rate monitor, but it seemed I was exerting more on the TM (and my pace was somewhat faster per mile than I'd typically run 10 miles in. Kept looking at the MPH thing and not pace - or something like that - but plugged 10 miles and the time into a pace calculator at home.) Also, I didn't stop at all, wereas in regular running, I might stop to pee if I feel like it. My legs actually felt "high" when I stopped, too, even though I cooled down for .2 after the 10. Was nice not to have to hold the iPod and water bottle. Are they generally accurate? Sorry if such questions have been asked before.


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      I wrote an article at Run to Win about the differences between a track and a treadmill which is pretty much what's the difference between outside and inside. The biggest thing to remember is to always set the treadmill at a minimum of 1° incline (I never do anything less than a 2° incline) so that you don't hyperextend your back. The slight incline forces you to lean forward slightly; without it, you run the risk of having your foot carried back as you are leaning backwards which can be a bad combination. Treadmills are going to be "accurate enough" if not completely accurate. If they were completely accurate, then they'd tell you that you moved at most a few feet, right? I would also recommend a slightly longer cool down than a fifth of a mile, especially if you are running quicker than you are used to. I usually start slowing down for the last mile of the run, easing off on the speed every tenth or two of a mile.

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      Beatin' on the Rock

        Ten miles on the TM?!? OMG ...weren't you hotter than heck? Did you have Gatorade? Music? Or those TV's? Shocked You deserve some kind of award, Dude, honestly. No pee stop??? ... ten miles... I think you are my new hero!
        Be yourself. Those that matter, don't mind. Those that mind, don't matter.
          Glad to be a hero. I did have an iPod. Tried a magazine, but couldn't read it, so just flipped through pretty pictures for a minute or two, but even that was hard to focus on. Then I'd would look at the TV monitors (Obama won VA ... MD polls open later because of weather.) And I'd gauge my "competition" ie, OK, he/she's off his/her treadmill now, so I "beat" him/her. Yes, I was totally soaked. Don't generally do Gatorade. Just water. It was hot, but, hey, it was a nice break from teens, 20s and 30s. As for the inline, I put it to 1.5 for more than half the run. Wasn't for your stated reason, Blaine, but I figured, well, my main course has variations. I'll look at your article. I'm really bad about cooldowns. Really bad. Generally run. Then stop. Maybe walk a minute or two.


          #2867

            Ten miles on the TM?!? OMG ...weren't you hotter than heck? Did you have Gatorade? Music? Or those TV's?
            One of the guys that ran for my team in college (he would have technically been ahead of me, except he kept taking a couple of years off from school at a time to run so he graduated my sophomore year) lived in Rochester but hated running in the cold. He had been known to run for over 30 miles on the treadmills in the student gym. He would be there longer than some of the people working shifts.

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            JakeKnight


              The biggest thing to remember is to always set the treadmill at a minimum of 1° incline (I never do anything less than a 2° incline) so that you don't hyperextend your back. The slight incline forces you to lean forward slightly; without it, you run the risk of having your foot carried back as you are leaning backwards which can be a bad combination.
              Got a link to some research on that? I'd like to read it, if so.

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              jeffdonahue


                Here is my take on Treadmill running - did 10 miles on it this morning myself because the roads were junk after the snow last night. You need to set the incline to at least 1.0 as Blaine said. I have heard that this helps to simluate outdoor running since you have no wind resistance on the treadmill. I find that my heartrate tends to be higher on the treamill, mainly because it is hotter in the gym than outside. I think the speeds and distances are fairly acccurate. I wore my Nike+ on the treadmill one day and they were pretty close to the same distance. I also find that I tend to pay more attention to my feet and my stride on the TM - maybe I'm afraid of hitting the side or the front. I usually cool down walking around the gym on the actual floor so my legs dont feely jelly like. To get rid of some monotony mix up the incline and speeds just a little every mile - helps simulate changes in terrain outside and it is something you need to concentrate on a bit to remember to do it.
                Mr Inertia


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                  While I do hill workouts from time to time on the TM, I never set the incline while doing a regular run. Last week I did a 13 mile long run, perfectly flat, on the TM (have been running quite a bit on it lately) and have had no problems. I think next time around, I'll be using a slight hill for my workout, thanks.
                  JakeKnight


                    Double post - please cheerfully ignore. Like the rest of my posts. Carry on.

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                    JakeKnight


                      From our own Jim2 - "The One Percent Incline Myth" http://mysite.verizon.net/jim2wr/id110.html But that doesn't consider this argument about hyperextension. I'd like to hear more on that.
                      He had been known to run for over 30 miles on the treadmills in the student gym. He would be there longer than some of the people working shifts.
                      That's insane. And if you didn't start insane, you would be by the time you got off the wheel.

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                      I've got a fever...

                        How do treadmills compare to road/path/trail miles for those who regularly use both? I don't have a heart rate monitor, but it seemed I was exerting more on the TM (and my pace was somewhat faster per mile than I'd typically run 10 miles in.
                        On a treadmill, I feel like I'm working harder at a slower pace. But my heart rate seems perfectly in line with the actual effort. Example from recent workouts: Treadmill: 5 miles at 9:13 pace. Average heart rate 142 (temp ~50°F -- the 'mill is in the garage) Outside (the next day): 4.2 miles at 8:17 pace. Ave HR = 148 (temp 66°F) Even though I was a minute per mile faster outside, it felt like a much easier run than on the treadmill. But the heart rate was more or less consistent with the effort, so I think it's psychological.

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                        JakeKnight


                          Even though I was a minute per mile faster outside, it felt like a much easier run than on the treadmill. But the heart rate was more or less consistent with the effort, so I think it's psychological.
                          I always wondered about that. I too feel like I'm working much harder for the same speed on a deadmill. I could never figure out if it was a) that the treadmill was inaccurate, b) that running on a deadmill is somehow physiologically different and requires more effort, or c) I was just so bored out of my skull that it felt like more effort. I'm guessing C.

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                          sherpagirl


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                            I am going add my .02 on this subject. I ran an ultra in February last year. Due to weather I did 90% of my training indoors. Running on a treadmill is a lot easier!! Not only movement of air and pounding but also terrian variation, stopping, starting out running cars, dogs, slipping down a muddy hill that doesn't happen on a tread mill. I know when I do a lot of treadmill running I get sore when I go out the first time. I would guess that running on a treadmill is 20 - 30 % easier than running outdoors.
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                            #2867

                              From our own Jim2 - "The One Percent Incline Myth" http://mysite.verizon.net/jim2wr/id110.html But that doesn't consider this argument about hyperextension. I'd like to hear more on that.
                              I never hurt myself running w/no incline before (unless you count the time my foot strayed off of the belt and I got thrown off the treadmill - thankfully, the wall behind me stopped me before I could travel more than a few feet.) However, I heard a year or two about the hyperextension issue from a doctor that writes articles for the complete running network. I assume that he knows more about what he is talking about than I do and took his word at face value. Besides, running on the dreadmill isn't quite as bad at 2° than at 0° so I figure that he was on to something.

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                              I've got a fever...

                                I am going add my .02 on this subject. I ran an ultra in February last year. Due to weather I did 90% of my training indoors. Running on a treadmill is a lot easier!! Not only movement of air and pounding but also terrian variation, stopping, starting out running cars, dogs, slipping down a muddy hill that doesn't happen on a tread mill. I know when I do a lot of treadmill running I get sore when I go out the first time. I would guess that running on a treadmill is 20 - 30 % easier than running outdoors.
                                I guess it's what you're used to. Since I do almost all of my running outdoors, treadmill running seems foreign to me. But I bet if I did every run for the next month on the 'mill, and then went outdoors, running outside would feel like a wild, wacky experience. One thing about air movement -- in some ways it's a good thing. People sometimes have higher heart rates on a treadmill because there's no air movement to help keep you cool. Not an issue since my treadmill is out in what is currently a cold garage, but I imagine this is typical for folks running on a treadmill at the gym.

                                On your deathbed, you won't wish that you'd spent more time at the office.  But you will wish that you'd spent more time running.  Because if you had, you wouldn't be on your deathbed.

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