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I am not a biomechanical expert, but the mint seems to have been added on to the cupcake after the baking process was completed. Is that truly an example of a cupcake that has been adapted to high altitudes, or have you just added a facade to make it appear that way?
Sticking with the altitude theme, and having used Titicaca as an example, I suggest you consider baking your cup cakes with Andes mints.
HD, I think you are over thinking the turnover aspect and the "feel" of running marathon pace. What do you even mean by turnover--cadence? I bet you run with pretty much the same cadence at 7:26 pace as 7:52 pace. If you can get down to around 2000 feet for a couple longish MP runs during your marathon buildup, it will probably put your mind at ease.
When I go into a marathon well trained, most of my "marathon pace" have actually been run at a pace slower than marathon pace due to weather, fatigue, whatever, and then when I get into the race the pace feels easy. That's just with taper + race day magic, not even the oxygen rich air of lower altitude.
I would just do your marathon pace runs by effort and if you can do a couple MP runs at 2k feet.
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HD, I think you are over thinking the turnover aspect and the "feel" of running marathon pace. What do you even mean by turnover--cadence? I bet you run with pretty much the same cadence at 7:26 pace as 7:52 pace. If you can get down to around 2000 feet for a couple longish MP runs during your marathon buildup, it will probably put your mind at ease. When I go into a marathon well trained, most of my "marathon pace" have actually been run at a pace slower than marathon pace due to weather, fatigue, whatever, and then when I get into the race the pace feels easy. That's just with taper + race day magic, not even the oxygen rich air of lower altitude. I would just do your marathon pace runs by effort and if you can do a couple MP runs at 2k feet.
Thanks - probably over-thinking given past failure.
Turnover: Related to stride. Using fast twitch v slow twitch is my point. A little diff than cadence - you are right, prob same at any pace.
My hope is to get to lower altitude as you suggest for a couple of runs.
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And unlike anyone who thinks so little of me, then I openly challenge anyone to tell me how these women modify their walking gait given how high Kenya is. Because unlike most, I can. I can describe mimic and teach how they do it.
Until you can show us a Tibetan or an ostrich that has won a major marathon, we'd all be better off if you went back to scraping up residue at the porn shop.
MTA: Or even a Tibetan riding an ostrich.
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Until you can show us a Tibetan or an ostrich that has won a major marathon, we'd all be better off if you went back to scraping up residue at the porn shop. MTA: Or even a Tibetan riding an ostrich.
Oh Princess, there's nothing more fun for me than how people respond with the most idiotic postings they think are funny. I'm called the fool, but the real joke is that I'm the only one who uses real science to answer questions which require an understanding beyond your barstool level of stupidity.
As to the relationship between ostriches and winning, I assume to perpetuate your pathetic ignorance of anything let alone biomechanics, you choose to keep your head in the proverbial sand.
Maybe the names of Yunxia Qu and Junxia Wang should mean something to you. Given they hold the world track records for the 1,500 meters, 3,000 meters and bested the 10,000 meter world record by 42 seconds, what they have in common is their being students of the same track coach of Ma Junren.
In multiple interviews he openly states his study of both ostrich and deer biomechanics. And given the records still stand since 1992, your driveling idiocy masked by your worthless response doesn't really mean much to me. In fact I laugh my ass off reading every post trying to make fun of what I teach and why.
If you don't care about science, I suggest you either spend your time more wisely reading porn, or at least from politeness refrain from responding to any questions about what it truly means to improve as an athlete. Otherwise your attempt at humor is a worthless distraction for those who do seek to learn a different perspective.
Not to mention prove who the real fool truly is.
And if you really want to impress me, then why don't you try the masking tape exercise for yourself. I mean if you want to criticize me, then attack my science, not my personality. Trust me, if you could it would be a much more credible post.
Because the last internet idiot who actually tried for himself what I teach shaved three minutes off a 25 minute run without even trying...
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Name me one of those "experts"...
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I will take a scientific shot at this issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_people
Within Tibetan mythology, the origins of Tibetans are said to be rooted in the marriage of the monkey Pha Trelgen Changchup Sempa and rock ogress Ma Drag Sinmo.
So Tibetans are descended from monkeys and ogres. A Japanese man, Kenicho Ito has taught himself to run like a monkey. In November 2008, Ito set the world record for running 100 meters on all fours. His time was 18.58 seconds, according to Guinness World Records.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/46964/monkey-man-running/
Usain Bolt holds the current men's world record at 9.58 seconds for 100m, which is nearly twice as fast as Ito's 100m monkey run. I think that clearly shows that Tibetans are not biomechanically better runners than those that live at lower altitudes.
Oh Princess, there's nothing more fun for me than reading porn, or at least worthless exercise. Trust me, Because what I teach shaved three minutes off a 25 minute run without even trying... ostrich and deer
Oh Princess, there's nothing more fun for me than reading porn, or at least worthless exercise. Trust me, Because what I teach shaved three minutes off a 25 minute run without even trying...
ostrich and deer
Speaking, of... I've always been fascinated at persistence hunting. Humans have been persistence hunting deer for eons. So, given that eventually a human can run down a deer then kill and eat it who is the better runner?
Maybe the names of Yunxia Qu and Junxia Wang should mean something to you.
Yes. They mean "preposterous drug cheats" to me.
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Does that really matter? I mean for real, dude. Just like Lance Armstrong, there must be no doubt that they would have been just as fast without doping. That is scientific fact. Just ask Lance's coach.
What am I on? I'm on my cooler, busted my hump 6 hours a night drinking Mic Ultras. What are you on?
Humans aren't distance runners, that's biology. Science is that we're arboreal. We're evolutionary descendants of tree dwelling primates. You can't run a marathon through the jungle. The distance myth is nothing more than a con job of running coaches.
Since the money in coaching running as well as the majority of sales profits of sport companies comes from running shoes, then the question doesn't matter, as long as distance running is the answer.
But the science tells a very different story. That's the mistake of how running is taught; that humans aren't bipedal animals, we're in fact a quadruped. Tree dwelling primates are biologically suited for intense power development in jumping and climbing. In our evolution to survive, we had to learn upright posture in order to increase our distance travelling capabilities.
Part of that evolution was learning to scavenge to survive, but that means getting to such a point was part of our evolutionary process, not its initial beginning. To think otherwise is foolish.
To the question of pushing an animal to exhaustion it was far easier to do so in group effort than individually. In my world, such behavior is mimicked today in relay racing. Instead of having a baton, it was working as a racing group with each member to keep pushing the animal to its exhaustion goal line. The more evolved we became, the fewer in number it would take to accomplish the overheating goal.
Even morons such as Lieberman admit that we were once quadrupeds, which is of course the biomechanic skill to climb in trees. So to say otherwise is appeasing the money gods of shoe sales, not a description of any legitimate science.
My argument is that we're still quadrupeds, however forcing us to wear shoes inhibits that natural ability.
Which is why for me I studied how to train race horses. That if you were to actually understand the biomechanics of quadruped running, your upper body energy expenditure can be cut from 15% of your total, to 3% of your energy need in locomotion.
I like human horses. They even carb load.
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