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posted: 4/10/2008 at 3:23 AM |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 1:21 PM
modified: 4/10/2008 at 1:23 PM |
| Quote from Bugs34 on 4/10/2008 at 12:51 AM: scubagrrl ,
I am glad you went to doctor. Trent is right this is serious. I was not feeling well and dizzy all month and landed in the E.R. and hospital. My blood pressure had been low but when I went to doctor various times in the month they said that was good. They dismissed it as, "You're a runner, it will be low". The week before my visit to E.R. I ate perfectly healthy and I stopped eating junk. Unconciously lowering my sodium levels. I had a terrible time concentrating and felt like my brain was in a fog. The worse I felt, the harder it was to drink water, which just made my BP lower. I didn't know what was wrong.
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Bugs thanks for the info. I had read about your trip to the doctor and was very concerned for you. I still have a follow up appointment next week with my doctor to see what my tests revealed. She did say if they don't reveal anything and I'm still having this dizziness they will schedule a CAT scan. My blood pressure was 120/80 so it wasn't high or low just perfectly normal. Also she checked my heart rate sitting and standing and there was no real change.
Trent thanks for the info also. I have lurked enough to know you are a very wise person and do appreciate your input. Now I know what tests to make sure the doctor has done. I really don't think that I am at risk for this because of the fact that I don't run near as many miles as many of you do, however I am just a little concerned because yes I sit and drink gallons of water every day. I am going to cut back on that and see if it makes any difference also.
h2, just because someone has a differing opinion than you does not mean you should be calling them an ass. As a mother of someone your age I have to say I sure hope as you get older, you will learn that you can be wrong and people can agree to disagree. No reason to get all defensive. You don't know absolutely everything at your age and you have a lot to learn still!
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 1:40 PM |
Ginny,
Thanks for the calm down. With no sarcasm, I actually appreciate it.
Yes I am an acrobat, who occasionally studies, and totally digs cartoon ice cream.
Happy to get a rise out of some of you though. As for the organization of a marathon, that's cool. I saved latin. |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 2:13 PM |
Giggles aside, I am glad I read this thread. Salt is one of my few remaining vices and now I feel good about keeping it! I may be in love with Trent now for telling me its ok to eat my salty foods.
I have always had low blood pressure, even when I was fat it was still ~ 100/60, now it is usually 95/55. They almost didnt want to let me leave the hospital after ds was born because they were kind of freaked out about 95/55.
 ...where is that salsa?
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 2:19 PM |
| So, H2, real question. What kind of acrobatics do you do, cuz I think that really is neat. |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 2:25 PM |
| Quote from h2onitro on 4/10/2008 at 1:40 PM: Ginny,
Thanks for the calm down. With no sarcasm, I actually appreciate it.
Yes I am an acrobat, who occasionally studies, and totally digs cartoon ice cream.
Happy to get a rise out of some of you though. As for the organization of a marathon, that's cool. I saved latin.
Glad you were able to take it the right way.
I'd be interested in your acrobats also.
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 4:16 PM |
haha hey
i do rings...it's probably what you would all consider "gymnastics" but instead of a gymnast, I think acrobat is an appropriate hyperbole.
it's pretty fun, but i havn't competed in gymnastics since high school-- running is my cardio because it's a whole body workout and concentrates on alot of muscles that aren't focused doing still rings.
glad to be back in these forums after like..uh two years haha
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 7:38 PM |
| I wanted to just say thanks for all the responses... really gives me something to think about |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 7:57 PM |
I'll just throw this out there...I read (don't remember where, but it seemed credible) that in the early 90's blood samples were taken from participants before Ironman Hawaii so their electrolyte levels could be analyzed.
The same athletes had another blood draw following the event.
Potassium levels were not considerably reduced. Sodium levels were significantly reduced.
Based on this info I stocked up on salt tabs in preparation for the Ironman.
Trent, can you confirm? |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 8:11 PM |
| Sounds reasonable Marcus. But remember, blood potassium levels DO NOT represent total body potassium levels. Most potassium is stored in cells. So your body can be very low and your blood levels normal. That same is true for calcium and magnesium. |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 8:39 PM |
| Quote from Trent on 4/10/2008 at 8:11 PM: Sounds reasonable Marcus. But remember, blood potassium levels DO NOT represent total body potassium levels. Most potassium is stored in cells. So your body can be very low and your blood levels normal. That same is true for calcium and magnesium.
Makes sense. I wish I could find that study to review the M&M. |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 10:32 PM |
| Quote from Marcus L S on 4/10/2008 at 8:39 PM: Makes sense. I wish I could find that study to review the M&M.
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 10:36 PM |
| Quote from Trent on 4/10/2008 at 3:22 AM: JK.
1) I gave up on the leaky Camelback after just 5 hours of running.
Trent...kinda OT, but do you want a new Camelbak bladder? I haven't used mine since I bought my Amphipod belt last Summer. Mine is the 45oz. one...
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 10:36 PM |
Quote from Trent on 4/10/2008 at 10:32 PM:
According to most of the similar papers, hyponatremia was caused by drinking too much water. Interesting. |
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posted: 4/10/2008 at 10:44 PM |
| Quote from Marcus L S on 4/10/2008 at 10:36 PM: According to most of the similar papers, hyponatremia was caused by drinking too much water. Interesting.
Yes. The clinical definition of hyponatremia is low blood sodium, but it is nearly always caused not by total body sodium losses so much as overhydration combined with inadequate sodium to match. Put differently, it is caused by drinking too much water (or sports drink, or beer) without enough salt.
All sports drinks that have less sodium than serum plasma, by definition, contain more water than serum plasma. So they can all predispose to hyponatremia. That is why Gatorade markets their "Endurance" product.
This was a critical paper on the subject.
In this study, on univariate analyses, hyponatremia was associated with substantial weight gain, consumption of more than 3 liters of fluids during the race, consumption of fluids every mile, a racing time of >4:00 hours, female sex, and low body-mass index. On multivariate analysis, hyponatremia was associated with weight gain (odds ratio, 4.2; 95 percent confidence interval, 2.2 to 8.2), a racing time of >4:00 hours (odds ratio for the comparison with a time of over 3:30 hours, 7.4; 95 percent confidence interval, 2.9 to 23.1), and body-mass-index extremes. (N Engl J Med. 2005 Apr 14;352(15):1550-6.)
That means, the risk factors for hyponatremia include
1. a marathon time > 4 hours (compared to time < 3:30)
2. being too big or too small,
3. being female,
4. drinking over 3 liters of fluids during the run,
5. gaining weight during the run.
The researchers did not specifically look at the effect of ambient temperature, salt intake in the days leading up to the marathon, or whether drinking too much in the days leading up to the marathon contributed, but their study was performed on a hot day. Remember, 3 liters is nearly a gallon; the cups at the marathon were all about 4-5 ounces full. There are 128 ounces in a gallon. That means you would need to have drunk about 25 cups of fluid in the 10 aid stations to have gotten just that one risk factor.
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