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Difficult to Argue with 2:21 (Read 387 times)

    Hard Every Day

     

    Struck a cord:

    "I didn't have a lot of time to run, so I decided to make the most of my time by running pretty hard. Plus, I was running by myself, so I didn't have anyone to help gauge my pace."

    "If you have the fire, run..." -John Climacus


    Interval Junkie --Nobby

      I think I got injured just reading the article.

      2014 Goals:  sub-3 Marathon 

      Current Status 06/19: Pelvic stress-fracture = 6-weeks of no running.

        Hmm, maybe I should start doing all my practice runs at a 6 minute pace.

        Well at least someone here is making relevance to the subject.

          Hmm, maybe I should start doing all my practice runs at a 6 minute pace.

           

          I think the take-away -- 'practice runs'? Allen Iverson is not impressed -- is to pick up the pace a bit and that there is something to be said for making it a little snappier, even on easy runs.

          "If you have the fire, run..." -John Climacus

            Ive read a few articles a bit similar. Just the easy runs are progressive. Going from 8ish pace down to under 7.

             

            If some of us can teach our bodies to run 140 mpw, running few miles harder would be possible too.

             

            Oh, Nader, I like that article btw. One of my favorite sections in RT.

            Dont call it a comeback


            Feeling the growl again

              6min pace isn't exactly "hard" for a guy racing marathons at 5:30 pace.  But it is certainly a moderate and non-recovery pace.  It is notable that he does not seem to do many or perhaps any really hard workouts, so that perhaps explains it a bit.

               

              I did a similar thing training for one marathon.  I only had 6 weeks to train so I focused on running some sort of quality every day.  It was not something I could have kept up long term but it took 7 minutes off my PR.

              "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

               

                Ive read a few articles a bit similar. Just the easy runs are progressive. Going from 8ish pace down to under 7.

                 

                If some of us can teach our bodies to run 140 mpw, running few miles harder would be possible too.

                 

                Oh, Nader, I like that article btw. One of my favorite sections in RT.

                 

                Mine, too.

                "If you have the fire, run..." -John Climacus

                  lately i've been breaking towards the Hudson view, that masters runners should only run 3-4 days a week.  okay I exaggerate, but initially i was pretty offended when I first read his masters plans.  however, now after struggling to hang on the a Pfitz marathon training program for the 2nd time in 6 mos, I think more rest may be in order.  and i really do enjoy the 6-8 mile med-hard runs better than any other workout.  4-5 of these a week and i wonder what would happen to my 5k times.

                   

                  oh and aint talking bout a game, we talking bout practice.  AI was 32 when his career effectively ended (DEN), he never got remotely close to 42.

                    I think I got injured just reading the article.

                     

                    My thoughts too.

                     

                    But then the article said "80 to 85 percent effort all the time" so I wondered effort off what? I'm guessing they are talking about 80-85 on marathon pace. Perhaps it's not that bad then. If I ran that  effort on my marathon pace it wouldn't be ridiculous. Of course my marathon pace isn't in line with my other race paces... Then I log stalked schneider and runweitecha and kinda think the article is a bit of a red herring. Those paces are no big deal for 2:2X marathoners. It just feels like a big deal for the rest of us, which is most of us.


                    Feeling the growl again

                       

                      Then I log stalked schneider and runweitecha and kinda think the article is a bit of a red herring. Those paces are no big deal for 2:2X marathoners. It just feels like a big deal for the rest of us, which is most of us.

                       

                      Pretty much.

                       

                      "Back in the day" when I was running 10Ks in line with this individual and at last planning marathons close to that range...and doing workouts much more challenging than he claims to...I was fine with "easy runs" being anything down to 6:20....but under 6:20 it would be clear on the next hard workout that I'd not recovered.  If I was not doing those hard workouts and spreading the effort across the other runs....now we're down to 6:05-6:15.

                      "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

                       

                        Is this a chicken and the egg argument? Do you run 6 mile training paces because you are a 2:2X marathoner or do you run a 2:2X marathon because you can run 6 min training paces regularly without getting injured?


                        Feeling the growl again

                          Is this a chicken and the egg argument? Do you run 6 mile training paces because you are a 2:2X marathoner or do you run a 2:2X marathon because you can run 6 min training paces regularly without getting injured?

                           

                          Translate it as, what would I have to do to run regular runs at :30-:45 slower than my MP?  Unless you are a 2:2X marathoner, the math will not work out to 6min pace.

                          "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

                           

                            Hard Every Day

                             

                            Struck a cord:

                            "I didn't have a lot of time to run, so I decided to make the most of my time by running pretty hard. Plus, I was running by myself, so I didn't have anyone to help gauge my pace."

                             

                            I think I'm going to subscribe to this when I start gearing up again.  I don't like running long slow distance runs.  Then again, this beast does long wicked fast distance runs.

                              The runs are moderate, not hard. MP+30-45s is sustainable for a certain type of runner. Looks to me like he is an aerobic beast, especially if you compare his marathon to his shorter distance times. The guy has been training for 20+ years and is experienced and talented. He is doing what works for him -- for marathoning.

                                Seems like conventional wisdom has been shifting for awhile on this kind of moderate pace running.  I feel like it used to be that it was regarded as kind of useless -- too hard for recovery, too easy for other benefits, e.g., LT.  But for someone who specializes in pure aerobic running -- marathons, ultra guys -- I would think a lot of this kind of running would be useful.  Seems to work for this guy in the article at least.

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