New runner, training for 1/2 Marathon (Read 1808 times)

posted: 1/6/2009 at 9:53 PM
Quote from slosh252 on 1/6/2009 at 9:06 PM:
If you are new to running and you tell your friends, I ran a 5K in 28 minutes, they might say, cool, thats nice. If you told them, I ran a 5K in 18 minutes, you would probably get the same response. Few people understand the difference between what is required to run 18 vs 28 minutes for a 5K. On the other hand, if you told your friends, I ran a marathon, you would get a much more impressed response. .


Well, the only friends I talk running with are other runners since I get no sense of pride or satisfaction from discussing my races with people who think that finishing a marathon is more impressive than an 18-minute 5k. To people who know something about running, a really fast 5k is more Mount Everest-esque than a slow marathon.

But, yes, to the general population, a marathon is a mountain.

And I totally agree with Scout. Competition is not for most people. Just getting out and doing something is great. Running one mile at any speed is more than what about 95% of Americans can do.
Scout7


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posted: 1/6/2009 at 9:55 PM
Quote from slosh252 on 1/6/2009 at 9:45 PM:
Completing something is competing, if you are competing against someone as to complete or not complete.

Keeping up with the Jones's is competition. That is more how people are competing.


I view that as social pressure, not competition. Oneupsmanship is competition gone awry.
Jeff


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posted: 1/6/2009 at 9:57 PM
Quote from slosh252 on 1/6/2009 at 9:06 PM:
Why are people paying lots of $ to climb (or be hauled) up Mt Everest. So they can say they did it. Granted, they might not have free climbed it, but they will be in an small group of people who can say they did it. The elite Mt climbers are probably shaking their heads wondering why they don't take the years to train and climb it.


Yes, that and being pissed off at all the trash that is left in a sacred and once-pristine place by people who think they can buy self-respect with a wad of cash and the help of professionals. Most elite climbers stay far away from Everest.

People are always trying to do something no one (or not many) has done before, or to do something that is at the edge of what they perceive they can do.


No, they aren't. This is rare as hell.

5Ks have been around forever. Everyone and their brother has done a 5K. Not everyone has the time to train themselves to do a 5K to the best of their ability, let alone a Marathon.


Training to run a 5k to the best of your ability takes the same amount of work as training to run a marathon to the best of your ability.

If you are new to running and you tell your friends, I ran a 5K in 28 minutes, they might say, cool, thats nice. If you told them, I ran a 5K in 18 minutes, you would probably get the same response. Few people understand the difference between what is required to run 18 vs 28 minutes for a 5K. On the other hand, if you told your friends, I ran a marathon, you would get a much more impressed response.


Not my friends. They aren't impressed by what I do. They just want me to be happy.

Now, I'm not saying that people are going out to run marathons just to impress their friends, but it just is another way of illustrating that a marathon is closer to climbing Mt Everest, the tallest Mt in the world, that a 5K.


I thought the analogy was to being hauled up Mt. Everest. Which is probably still much much more difficult than running a marathon.
C-R


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posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:00 PM
Quote from Scout7 on 1/6/2009 at 9:15 PM:
Completing something is not competing.


I disagree. What if you've never finished a HM or marathon? Since you've no history, you can only compete against the clock, the runner next to you in the pace group and yourself. After you finish you can gauge if you can or, better yet, wish to make the sacrifice to get to the next level.

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posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:03 PM
modified: 1/6/2009 at 10:04 PM
Quote from Jeff on 1/6/2009 at 9:57 PM:
Not my friends. They aren't impressed by what I do. They just want me to be happy.


What?! We couldn't care less about your happiness. But a sub 2:30 marathon would be very impressive.

mta: Clowning around
posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:04 PM
I smell swamp leakage.
Luti 2010. It won't come down to a kick this year. Thunder by 20+ seconds. Put that in your pipe and smoke it -Thunder, March 18, 2010
Jeff


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posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:04 PM
modified: 1/6/2009 at 10:05 PM
Quote from TanyaS on 1/6/2009 at 10:03 PM:
What?! We couldn't care less about your happiness. But a sub 2:30 marathon would be very impressive.


You're not my friend.

mta: Evil grin
posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:06 PM
Jeff


fu don't kung think

posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:07 PM
modified: 1/6/2009 at 10:08 PM
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posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:10 PM
I think I did not get my point across very well... I was trying to get at things from the point of an inexperienced new runner and why one of them might want to try to run a marathon. There seems to be frequent discussion and advice against doing so and then perplexion as to why anyone would ever want to start out with a marathon instead of a 5K.

So my defintion of competion doesn't match Scouts...

I agree with most of what Jeff wrote except for his 2nd comment.

Oops, its after 5 and I'm still at work. Carry on with the disection of my argument.
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monkey groovy

posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:10 PM
There is nothing rare or unique about finishing a marathon. Hundreds of thousands of people do it every year. Marathon finishers are a dime a dozen. Is it tough to do? For sure. But so too is blasting out a good time at a shorter distance.
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posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:10 PM
Quote from mikeymike on 1/6/2009 at 10:04 PM:
I smell swamp leakage.


Now a marathon run in a swamp would be impressive, especially if dressed in a realistic alligator outfit.
Jeff


fu don't kung think

posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:11 PM
Quote from slosh252 on 1/6/2009 at 10:10 PM:
I think I did not get my point across very well... I was trying to get at things from the point of an inexperienced new runner and why one of them might want to try to run a marathon. There seems to be frequent discussion and advice against doing so and then perplexion as to why anyone would ever want to start out with a marathon instead of a 5K.

So my defintion of competion doesn't match Scouts...

I agree with most of what Jeff wrote except for his 2nd comment.

Oops, its after 5 and I'm still at work. Carry on with the disection of my argument.


I believe in swamp leakage.
Jeff


fu don't kung think

posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:12 PM
Quote from MrH on 1/6/2009 at 10:10 PM:
Now a marathon run in a swamp would be impressive, especially if dressed in a realistic alligator outfit.


Oh, Richard, if you only knew.
posted: 1/6/2009 at 10:25 PM
Despite the fact that I ran high school track for a very good program and almost ran in college and always owned a pair of running shoes and knew where they were in my closet for many years just in case I needed them, in the late winter/early spring of 1999, when I was 29 years old, I was not a runner by even the most casual definition--and had not been for at least 11 years. So when I signed up for my first marathon it was because, in my completely uneducated state, The Marathon reallywas some Everest-esque quest to check off my list of things to do so I could say I did. I signed up for one, trained a bit, went out too fast, crashed and burned, waddled through it, it hurt like hell, and...perhaps most surprisingly, a year or so later, I decided to become a runner. Now I look back and laugh at myself and the marathon has become to me what it always was in reality: a road race. But I still remember what it felt like to finish that first one and how it changed the way I looked at myself and how on some level it possibly lit the spark and led to running being what it is for me now. And so I don't begrudge people who want to run headlong to the marathon without racing other distances and I understand it. To the non-runner, the marathon has an allure that other races just do not. And because the half marathon has the word "marathon" in it, it works almost as well at cocktail parties.
Luti 2010. It won't come down to a kick this year. Thunder by 20+ seconds. Put that in your pipe and smoke it -Thunder, March 18, 2010