Seeking Fat Acceptance (Read 3393 times)


Prince of Fatness

      

    Then again, in NJ, at least in the summer and early fall, it is not hard to shop local at all,at least for produce.  It's called the Garden State for a reason.  And it still is.  Yes, up by Newark, and the airport and the oil refineries, it's pretty awful.  But, most other places, especially down south, there are farms and farms and farms.  And farmer's markets all over the place, and they actually grow the stuff there.

     

    There are places in north Jersey, too.  More so were I am, in the western part of the state.  But yeah, it's pretty hard to not find fresh produce in NJ.  Good stuff.

    Semi-retired.

      Mmm...fresh produce.  Three months and the local berries will be starting to bloom.  Last year they were early and in stores by June.  (end tangent)

      'No matter how slow you go, you're still lapping everyone on the couch'

       

      "Running is a big question mark that's there each and every day. It asks you, 'Are you going to be a wimp or are you going to be strong today?'"  - Peter Maher

       

      "Running long and hard is an ideal antidepressant, since it's hard to run and feel sorry for yourself at the same time. Also, there are those hours of clearheadedness that follow a long run."  -Monte Davis

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        As far as discrimination goes, I think it really does matter "why are people fat?"

         

        For instance, it is generally considered wrong/illegal/immoral/etc. to discriminate against someone based on factors they can't control (race, sex, age, place of birth, physical diability, etc.)  However, you can discriminate based on factors someone can control, like personal appearance.  If I walk into a fancy restaurant in DC wearing nothing but a wife beater and a jock strap, they'll probably refuse to serve me because of my appearance.  I wouldn't really have a case against them because it is within my ability to change my personal apperance to conform to the restaurant's standards.  I can choose to walk around in a wife beater and a jock strap, but if I do, I can't stop people from treating me differently than they would were I dressed normal.

         

        On a related note, I'm working on a theory.  I think global warming is a sham.  The temperatures are remaining constant, but since everyone's getting bigger, it just feels warmer.  Evidence will be forthcoming.

         

        Begs a similar question as to why society puts value onto the self-starvation look thrust into our faces time and again...  How is THAT beautiful?  Why must beauty be a cadaver in a slinky skirt?  As for restaurants, they'd rather take their food intravenously, if at all.  And yet, society puts pressure on young girls and women to be like them.  Pretty sad that a 10 year-old spends a week in a hospital because she "wants to be a model".  Maybe the focus should be on health rather than "fatphobia" or "pin thin perfection".


        Doc, my tooth hurts

          Begs a similar question as to why society puts value onto the self-starvation look thrust into our faces time and again...  How is THAT beautiful?  Why must beauty be a cadaver in a slinky skirt?  As for restaurants, they'd rather take their food intravenously, if at all.  And yet, society puts pressure on young girls and women to be like them.  Pretty sad that a 10 year-old spends a week in a hospital because she "wants to be a model".  Maybe the focus should be on health rather than "fatphobia" or "pin thin perfection".

          Society doesn't "thrust" any image into our faces.  It's all a matter of where you are looking. Some of the biggest stars that are known throughout the world don't look like they have an eating disorder. I know there are examples of celebrities that have the "self-starvation" look, but for the most part celebrities don't. 

          While eating disorders are not to be taken lightly, but you are looking at extreme cases and a much smaller percent of the population.  I have never seen ad campaigns telling girls that they have to be thin and promote eating disorders.  "Society" doesn't put pressure on girls to be thin, it's usually factors closer to the person suffering the disorder than some celebrity or tv show.  Yeah it is sad that a 10 year old has to spend a week in the hospital, but her eating disorder has little to do with "societal pressures".  

          About 10% of the US suffers from an eating disorder, but 62% of the US is overweight or obese; which is the bigger problem? I know that you are using hyperbole and emotion to try and get your point across but I don't see why you think society is having this big problem with "pin thin perfection."

            oh yeah?

             

            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20055694-10391704.html

             

            Galia Slayen stands with her life-size Barbie, which would be 5'9", weigh 110 pounds, and have a BMI associated with anorexia.

             

            Galia Slayen stands with her life-size Barbie, which

            would be 5'9", weigh 110 pounds, and have a BMI

            associated with anorexia.

             

            Live the Adventure. Enjoy the Journey. Be Kind. Have Faith!

              oh yeah?

               

              http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20055694-10391704.html

               

              Galia Slayen stands with her life-size Barbie, which would be 5'9", weigh 110 pounds, and have a BMI associated with anorexia.

               

              Galia Slayen stands with her life-size Barbie, which

              would be 5'9", weigh 110 pounds, and have a BMI

              associated with anorexia.

               Yikes.  I'm 5'8" with an hourglass figure and look nothing like that!  What am I doing wrong?  (just kidding) 

              'No matter how slow you go, you're still lapping everyone on the couch'

               

              "Running is a big question mark that's there each and every day. It asks you, 'Are you going to be a wimp or are you going to be strong today?'"  - Peter Maher

               

              "Running long and hard is an ideal antidepressant, since it's hard to run and feel sorry for yourself at the same time. Also, there are those hours of clearheadedness that follow a long run."  -Monte Davis

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                While eating disorders are not to be taken lightly, but you are looking at extreme cases and a much smaller percent of the population.  I have never seen ad campaigns telling girls that they have to be thin and promote eating disorders.  "Society" doesn't put pressure on girls to be thin, it's usually factors closer to the person suffering the disorder than some celebrity or tv show.  Y

                 

                Goodness, lots and lots and lots of ad campaigns and media images involve women who are very thin.  Some of these have the explicit message that "thin is what's in". And many others don't say that, but it is an add-on message to whatever the real message is.

                 

                I have no data on how many campaigns this is.

                 

                But I can turn my TV on and see these images roll by.

                 


                Needs more cowbell!

                  Goodness, lots and lots and lots of ad campaigns and media images involve women who are very thin.  Some of these have the explicit message that "thin is what's in". And many others don't say that, but it is an add-on message to whatever the real message is.

                   

                  I have no data on how many campaigns this is.

                   

                  But I can turn my TV on and see these images roll by.

                   

                  Yoplait yogurt and Special K cereal come to mind.  Many times they have had campaigns featuring women who appear to be at their ideal weight, but are eating yogurt or a bowl of cereal in an effort to lose weight.  I personally know several women who have dieted by eating nothing but a tiny carton of yogurt or a bowl of cereal as a meal, 3x/day.  None have had success with this, for obvious reasons.

                  I shoot pretty things! ~

                  '14 Goals:

                  • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

                  • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)


                  A Dance with Monkeys

                    I personally know several women who have dieted by eating nothing but a tiny carton of yogurt or a bowl of cereal as a meal, 3x/day.  None have had success with this, for obvious reasons.

                     

                    If they ate nothing but a tiny carton of yogurt 3x/day, they should lose weight.  What am I missing?  It is not obvious to me. Confused


                    Needs more cowbell!

                       Stirring the pot, much...?

                       

                      If they ate nothing but a tiny carton of yogurt 3x/day, they should lose weight.  What am I missing?  It is not obvious to me. Confused

                       

                      Yes, they lost weight...until they hated life and themselves after just a couple of weeks, then had that lovely crash and binge...regaining the lost weight, plus a few extra pounds for their trouble (ask me how my Slim-Fast dieting days worked for me...and that's a helluvalot healthier than subsisting on nothing but yogurt or cereal).  And decided they were the problem, not their choice of weight loss.  You and I both know that crash diets don't work.  The ad execs for these companies know it, too, but that doesn't stop them from deceptive marketing.  The only people who would lose weight long-term eating only yogurt or cereal are not losing weight by healthy means.  Anorexics lose weight, too.

                      I shoot pretty things! ~

                      '14 Goals:

                      • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

                      • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)


                      A Dance with Monkeys

                        The only people who would lose weight long-term eating only yogurt or cereal are not losing weight by healthy means

                         

                        Oh, to be sure.  I just thought you meant that during the crash diet, they were not loosing weight.


                        Needs more cowbell!

                          Oh, to be sure.  I just thought you meant that during the crash diet, they were not loosing weight.

                           

                          I guess you missed the word success...that's kind of the point of weight loss, right...losing it for good, without developing an eating disorder.

                           

                          As for ads...there is so much wrong with this one.  Eat numerous cartons of crappy "yogurt" loaded with HFCS (no mention of eating yogurt as a treat, in addition to healthier meals).  And she doesn't appear to be overweight in the first place.

                          I shoot pretty things! ~

                          '14 Goals:

                          • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

                          • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)


                          Needs more cowbell!

                            They do briefly flash on the screen "as part of a reduced calorie diet and regular exercise," but they don't really make any mention of what that reduced calorie diet is...though they do say that their yogurts are 100-110 calories, so the implication is that one could eat oodles of "lite" yogurt, nothing else, and still be eating a reduced calorie diet.  Looks like her hubby is the one who gets to eat the rest of the contents of the fridge.

                            I shoot pretty things! ~

                            '14 Goals:

                            • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

                            • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)


                            A Dance with Monkeys

                              "success"?  No, I saw that.  You meant long term success, but I understood any (= short term too) success.


                              jules2

                                Begs a similar question as to why society puts value onto the self-starvation look thrust into our faces time and again...  How is THAT beautiful?  Why must beauty be a cadaver in a slinky skirt?  As for restaurants, they'd rather take their food intravenously, if at all.  And yet, society puts pressure on young girls and women to be like them.  Pretty sad that a 10 year-old spends a week in a hospital because she "wants to be a model".  Maybe the focus should be on health rather than "fatphobia" or "pin thin perfection".

                                 

                                Recently there has been a debate this side of the pond about very thin models.  Someone claimed it was because most fashion designers are gay and don't really like women.  As proof of this they pointed out how they were now using young boys to model womens clothing.

                                 

                                I must admit I'd never considered this before and I'm amazed that women haven't objected to the use of boys.

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