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Runner skill classifications (Read 1716 times)

    In absolute terms, here's how I would categorize running performances (marathon and 5k) for a male in his prime. You could use the WAVA calculators to find equivalents for gender and age.

     

    world class: sub 2:10, sub 13

    national class: sub 2:15, sub 13:30

    regional class or very good DI runner: sub 2:20, sub 14 (OTQ)

    locally "elite", good college runner: sub 2:30, sub 15

    very good local runner, good high school runner: sub 2:45, sub 17 (NYQ)

    good local runner, varsity high school runner: sub 3:00, sub 18 (BQ)

    solid competitive runner, JV high school runner: sub 3:15, sub 20

    average runner: sub 3:30, sub 22

    has room to grow, but still may be very committed as a runner: sub 4hrs, sub 24

    new and developing runner: sub 5 hours, sub 30 minutes

     

    I know this post is likely to be controversial. I just want to make it clear that I am not trying to insult anyone with this list, but I understand that I might do so anyways, and I thought it would be fun to see what people think.

    grinch031


      In absolute terms, here's how I would categorize running performances (marathon and 5k) for a male in his prime. You could use the WAVA calculators to find equivalents for gender and age.

       

      world class: sub 2:10, sub 13

      national class: sub 2:15, sub 13:30

      regional class or very good DI runner: sub 2:20, sub 14 (OTQ)

      locally "elite", good college runner: sub 2:30, sub 15

      very good local runner, good high school runner: sub 2:45, sub 17 (NYQ)

      good local runner, varsity high school runner: sub 3:00, sub 18 (BQ)

      solid competitive runner, JV high school runner: sub 3:15, sub 20

      average runner: sub 3:30, sub 22

      has room to grow, but still may be very committed as a runner: sub 4hrs, sub 24

      new and developing runner: sub 5 hours, sub 30 minutes

       

      I know this post is likely to be controversial. I just want to make it clear that I am not trying to insult anyone with this list, but I understand that I might do so anyways, and I thought it would be fun to see what people think.

       

      The only problem is that 'average runner' would imply the bulk of them. But the bulk of them are probably more in the 4:30 range. 

       

      EDIT: Nevermind, you said male in his prime so I'll give you that.

        The only problem is that 'average runner' would imply the bulk of them. But the bulk of them are probably more in the 4:30 range.

         

        WAVA gives a 3:30 for a 30 year old man a 59% grade--a little better than 50%, but we would assume this is a PR effort. Smile Maybe 3:45 would be a better number. Many people in this category will run marathons for fun and not give an all-out performance, which I believe skews the numbers a bit. I could be wrong, though.

          The only problem is that 'average runner' would imply the bulk of them. But the bulk of them are probably more in the 4:30 range. 

           

          EDIT: Nevermind, you said male in his prime so I'll give you that.

           

          But the bulk of the average runner isn't running to thier potential. I honestly believe that a BQ is attainable for the bulk of the average runners out there.

          JimR



            HobbyJogger & HobbyRacer

              "skill" ?

              It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.

              DoppleBock


                You calling me a hobby jogger?

                 

                Just kidding - But I would agree - I thought the question was about people who are serious about running and training conistently at what ever MPW they train at.  Not to include the people that run for 3-4 months and do a marathon and  then go do somthing else or people that are not trying to improve but just hobby jog and enjoy the marathon experience.

                 

                WAVA gives a 3:30 for a 30 year old man a 59% grade--a little better than 50%, but we would assume this is a PR effort. Smile Maybe 3:45 would be a better number. Many people in this category will run marathons for fun and not give an all-out performance, which I believe skews the numbers a bit. I could be wrong, though.

                http://a-big-horse.blogspot.com/ 

                2013 Goals ~ Mar < 3:00, 5M < 29, 10k < 35  

                 

                grinch031


                  You calling me a hobby jogger?

                   

                  Just kidding - But I would agree - I thought the question was about people who are serious about running and training conistently at what ever MPW they train at.  Not to include the people that run for 3-4 months and do a marathon and  then go do somthing else or people that are not trying to improve but just hobby jog and enjoy the marathon experience.

                   

                  I would think the level/category would be like any sport based on the effort already put in as opposed to their potential to reach that level.  I'm sure if most healthy people dedicated their lives to running, then most of them would probably be not too far from the elite level.  Its just the genetically gifted can reach the highest levels, or can reach lesser levels with less effort than others.

                  DoppleBock


                    Some of us have poor genetics and run as much as an elite to reach the Good to very good local runner level Smile 

                     

                    I would think the level/category would be like any sport based on the effort already put in as opposed to their potential to reach that level.  I'm sure if most healthy people dedicated their lives to running, then most of them would probably be not too far from the elite level.  Its just the genetically gifted can reach the highest levels, or can reach lesser levels with less effort than others.

                    http://a-big-horse.blogspot.com/ 

                    2013 Goals ~ Mar < 3:00, 5M < 29, 10k < 35  

                     

                      Some of us have poor genetics and run as much as an elite to reach the Good to very good local runner level Smile 

                       

                      Yep. I believe that with effort almost any runner can be better than average. But to reach the "very good" levels, I think some degree of "better than average" talent is required.

                      grinch031


                        Yep. I believe that with effort almost any runner can be better than average. But to reach the "very good" levels, I think some degree of "better than average" talent is required.

                         

                        But we may never know how much natural talent really matters.  A good number of world-class athletes were trained by world-class coaches since they were little kids.  How many people can you think of who had access to world-class resources, had the right work ethic, but lacked the talent to ever even make it past a recreational level?   I think opportunity is probably the biggest hurdle for many.

                        zonykel


                          Yep. I believe that with effort almost any runner can be better than average. But to reach the "very good" levels, I think some degree of "better than average" talent is required.

                           

                          Almost every runner can be better than average? Isn't the cap at 50%?
                            Almost every runner can be better than average? Isn't the cap at 50%?

                             

                            Yes, but at any given time, only 50% of them put in enough effort to move above the average line.

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                              Almost every runner can be better than average? Isn't the cap at 50%?

                               

                              What, you've never been to Lake Wobegon?
                                What, you've never been to Lake Wobegon?

                                 

                                Ha ha. It is easy to logic-chop your way out of common sense, but of course at certain times I run better than I "averagely" run.

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