Repeated injuries - thinking of getting Vibrams/minimalist shoes (Read 277 times)

 The safety factor I mentioned has to do with being able to run on pavement in minimalist shoes without causing injury.  As for "...in practice...", it may be perfectly fine for you, but I rather doubt the bulk of us could run on pavement and not accelerate the wear and tear on our bodies.

So you think pavement is more injurious than rocks and sticks and thorns and whatnot?

I wear Vibrams personally, and I don't recommend them to anyone. I call them the Ferrari of shoes. All you know how to drive is a minivan. And if you step into a product you aren't trained to drive properly, how can you expect not to crash????

What few want to discuss is that Vibram is being sued for the crap they preach to sell their products. There's a reason for that legal action. And thinking the shoe will solve your medical issues is little more than wishful thinking.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/07/vibram-barefoot-sneaker-maker-sued-over-claims/

Dealing with pain is understanding how you run and what steps you take to improve your efficiency in movement. That has absolutely nothing to do with the shoes you're currently wearing, or choosing a minimalist product.

I truly hope you're not foolish enough to think that running without shoes is identical to how cultures that have never worn shoes actually run. Cultures that don't wear shoes fire every single muscle in their bodies from the ears down in a completely different sequence than you do.

Its also true humans who have never worn shoes historically, have also never walked or ran on concrete. If you don't understand the difference between those two realities, I would fully suggest you stay away from the switching idea and focus on improving your technique regardless to what product covers your feet...

What few want to discuss is that Vibram is being sued for the crap they preach to sell their products. There's a reason for that legal action. And thinking the shoe will solve your medical issues is little more than wishful thinking.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/07/vibram-barefoot-sneaker-maker-sued-over-claims/

  

Really? Thats your defense? That someone, somewhere thought they could make money off suing a company and that should mean the product being sued is faulty? At the very least, read an update since JULY 2012!

Part of the response from Vibram is quite good, "Indeed, the fact that it takes time to adjust to the forefoot strike form and to experience the individual benefits ascribed to barefoot running, with or without the protection of FiveFingers, is not only well documented, it is disclosed frankly by Vibram, and clearly acknowledged by Plaintiff in both versions of her Complaint. There is nothing false or misrepresentative about these concepts or what FiveFingers shoes do and do not do."

You can read more about this bogus lawsuit pretty easily. Here's some info: http://ahcuah.wordpress.com/2012/09/05/update-on-the-vibram-lawsuit/

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/massachusetts/madce/1:2012cv10513/142815/

 

Hey princess,

 

Minor science lesson for you. There's nothing natural about a forefoot running technique. 23,000 year old fossil records prove otherwise.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/12/21/1135032083655.html?from=top5

 

Wow. Your references keep getting further out of date. Next you are going to tell me Pluto is still a planet and quote something from 1975.

Lieberman isnt in the profession of explaining running form, but his analysis of the fossil record - you know from bones, not like your article of some people who were likely walking in mud. By the way. Did you read your article? It says nothing about form.

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~skeleton/danlhome.html

The one thing that science I believe will soon discover is that running barefoot dislodges sticks that are lodged up ones own rectum. There is a study starting soon, I think you would be a great candidate.

 

Oh boy, another coronation.  Address the Archbishop with suitable respect.

I think we should start a club - membership requires getting crowned here on RA by Sport Jester. Perhaps there is a graphic artist on RA that could design a snappy technical tee with a masking tape covered and barefoot princess logo on it. What do ya think?

 

Shipo. There is NO EVIDENCE - ANYWHERE that modern running shoes decrease injuries. You'd think with $$$$ at stake, if the evidence were there, theyd have found it.

Are you suggesting that I attempt to prove a positive with a negative?  Sorry, cannot be done.  Your statement could just as easily said, "Jeff CT.  There is NO EVIDENCE - ANYWHERE that modern minimalist shoes (or no shoes at all) decrease injuries.  You'd think with the $$$$ at state, if the evidence were there, theyd [sic] have found it."  It would have been just as irrelevant.

Beyond the irrelevance of your statement, the fact remains, our ancestors (along with current cultures who run barefoot) didn't evolve to run on concrete; simple truth.  To my engineer's brain, it seems pretty logical that cultures (both ancient and current) that run barefoot do so in an environment devoid of pavement, and like it or don't believe it or not, even hard-packed dirt absorbs many orders of magnitude more shock than does concrete.  That statement alone means that when I'm running on pavement, I'm going to be wearing running shoes.

Well to be fair,  your log averages about 20mpw  and barely 600  miles this year.   it is hardly fair to compare your experiences to those of people running two or three times as many miles this year on any surface.

I  have actually tried minimal shoes on pavement at a volume relevant to most here.  it did not work well.  But they work well as  office shoes to keep the PF  at bay.

 

So some sections of TRAIL are worse than others. I agree. But running on trails is harder than running on flat pavement, in shoes. Agreed? As you said, "look like they've gone through a war"

 

So why wouldnt you believe that running on trails is harder in bare feet than on flat pavement? But I cant see where your opinion matters regardless. You arent running on either bare foot any time soon.