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| 20 miler in marathon training -- what's your take? (Read 735 times) |
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:04 PM
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| Quote from dnephin on 5/7/2008 at 8:45 PM: I think there's value in a few 18 and overs, say, 2 18s, a 20ish and a 22-23ish. That's worked for me. No need for further: adrenelin will carry you. Longest ought to be no closer than 3- 4 weeks out from marathon.
how 'bout running back to back 21 milers 13 days out?
how 'bout a 20 mile race 2 weeks out?
Your suggestion is spot on. might be good for someone new to the marathon, but if that person were doing regular 20 milers as a part of their 10k training, then I don't see a problem with doing 20 miles easy 2 weeks out. Just sayin', for the sake of argument.
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:07 PM
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| Quote from obsessor on 5/7/2008 at 9:04 PM: how 'bout running back to back 21 milers 13 days out?
how 'bout a 20 mile race 2 weeks out?
Your suggestion might be good for someone new to the marathon, but if that person were doing regular 20 milers as a part of their 10k training, then I don't see a problem with doing 20 miles easy 2 weeks out. Just sayin', for the sake of argument.
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:09 PM
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I think its mostly mental.. I like to do longer runs because it makes me feel better. I like my long run to be at least the amount of time I'll be out there during the race. Which for me is around 22 miles. and I like to build slow, step back, repeat and basically sneak up on the big miles
I'd really love to do 28 in training, but dont see that happening, that would be my mental comfort. |
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:14 PM |
Another thing to remember is that when you are running your long run in preparation for the marathon, you are doing it on tired legs because you are (or should be) regularly running high(er) weekly mileage. So, a 17-18 mile run after a quality week of training may be more valuable than a 22 mile run at the end of a lower mileage (or intensity) week. Remembering this might help you have the confidence go the distance on race day, when you will be well-rested.
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:20 PM |
I cap my long runs at around 2.5 hours and don't consider mileage.
But for a first marathoner IMO, I don't think one needs to go beyond 22. There is probably nothing wrong with going longer but it's probably not necessary.
Some say make the last long run 3 weeks out, some say make it 2 weeks out. There is no right answer. Doing one 2 weeks out isn't likely going to sabotage the race any more than doing one 3 weeks out is going to make you faster, or vice versa.
FWIW, I have done 3 20+ Long Runs this year in prep for a spring marathon, but it was more of a time allowance as opposed to a mileage goal. I like hitting one or two 22 milers but that's because I usually jack up the pace the last 4 or 5 miles to simulate race conditions and also by then my glycogen stores are starting to run low.
There is training benefit to running and running hard when you're low on glycogen reserves, or so they say.
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:27 PM |
| Quote from obsessor on 5/7/2008 at 9:04 PM: then I don't see a problem with doing 20 miles easy 2 weeks out. Just sayin', for the sake of argument.
Or running a hard marathon 2 weeks out. Or a 42 miler 1 week out.
YMMV. |
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:32 PM |
| Quote from JakeKnight on 5/7/2008 at 9:27 PM: Or running a hard marathon 2 weeks out. Or a 42 miler 1 week out.
YMMV.
There should be a book on that method. Or perhaps an appendix to Chia Running. |
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:37 PM |
| Quote from DJ Marcus on 5/7/2008 at 9:32 PM: There should be a book on that method. Or perhaps an appendix to Chia Running.
Chia Runners don't sweat the details - thus there is no need for such an appendix. Chia Runners just run, baby. |
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:55 PM |
| Quote from obsessor on 5/7/2008 at 9:47 PM:
Yeah, but JK, did your 42 miler technique cause you to PR?
Yes. No. Maybe.
What was the question again?
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:59 PM |
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 9:59 PM |
*blah..blah..blah..interesting stuff..interesting stuff...blah..blah...blah...Jake says run a 42 miler before your marathon...blah..blah..blah..*
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posted: 5/7/2008 at 10:06 PM |
Quote from Ileneforward on 5/7/2008 at 9:59 PM:*blah..blah..blah..interesting stuff..interesting stuff...blah..blah...blah... Jake says run a 42 miler before your marathon...blah..blah..blah..* Gold!
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posted: 5/8/2008 at 12:40 AM |
It is running 101 and all opinions should be welcome. Screw them if they don't like it.  Sometimes the best advice in the world is just not liked. Nothing can be done to fix that obsessor. Keep it real.
I believe that 2 or 3 long runs should last as long time wise as it will take you to run the full marathon. I believe this to be very much needed for the first marathon and not really so important for the following marathons. For the first marathon, you should be prepared to run for a long time. I don't recall how long my longest run was before my first marathon, but I think it might have been greater than 5 hours. I was a sub-5 hour finisher my first try and I was mentally prepared for that situation. Now, after you have done the distance once, maybe the time issue is not so important, but that first time is a bitch. Now, after you try one marathon to finish, we can worry about how to fix tired legs late in a race. Oh, and this assumes that the person in question is like I was for my first marathon, not out to win, not even very good, just there to get it done and see if it can be done by someone like myself at the time.
Not how far out should the last of these longest runs be? That one totally depends on how long you have been running and how much recovery time is needed. If you never stopped running after HS/college the answer will be much different than someone like me who took nearly a decade off from running competitively. The answer will also differ if you are a seasonal or single goal runner bound to hit a goal and then take weeks or even months off at a time.
Meh. Did that answer anything or just add to the confusion? |
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posted: 5/8/2008 at 12:45 AM |
| Quote from JakeKnight on 5/7/2008 at 10:06 PM: I said a week before. So you can recover. You missed the most important part.
A week before...to recover....got it!
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