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| 20 miler in marathon training -- what's your take? (Read 730 times) |
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posted: 5/8/2008 at 2:37 PM |
| interesting question... I just did 12 (hilly 2029 ascent 1890 descent) at marathon pace... yesterday an my marathon is may 18th. |
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Cleveland Marathon < 3:59:59 3:38:48sub 22:00 5k 20:46 HH firecracker 5000PR in the 15k this fall** 1:09:56 in a 10 miler- Have more fun = run more
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| view log Got The Life |
posted: 5/8/2008 at 2:45 PM |
| Quote from jsobo119 on 5/8/2008 at 2:37 PM: interesting question... I just did 12 (hilly 2029 ascent 1890 descent) at marathon pace... yesterday an my marathon is may 18th.
That was a good thing! |
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posted: 5/8/2008 at 3:13 PM |
Quote from jlynnbob on 5/8/2008 at 4:54 AM:So, now we're trying for normal?  Longest run to date?...little over 32 1/2 hours, more than 20 miles. there was snow. it was pretty. the hallucinations were nice
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posted: 5/8/2008 at 3:37 PM |
| Quote from kencamet on 5/8/2008 at 2:31 PM: I agree with this. Would you say that a 16miler, given proper traininng, 8 days before the race done at goal MP would be beneficial as the final temp workout you mention? Or is it too much?
That would depend totally upon your fitness level and how appropriate your goal pace is to your fitness level.
Personally, I wouldn't do a 16 miler at goal pace a week before hand. Then again, before my last marathon I did a 10.5 miler at tempo pace or a little quicker since I needed to test some new shoes and determine whether they were going to work for the marathon or not. (Mar 30 marathon @tempo was 6:50 pace, Apr 26 10.5 miler @6:37 pace, May 4 marathon at 6:15 pace)
So not quite marathon pace but not 16 miles either. I only ran 6:15 pace in the marathon, but my AMP runs in the weeks before that were at 6:00 pace which is what I wanted to run. |
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"Slow down--if you wanted that time, you should have run faster during the rest of the race!"
I wish I'd been there to hear that as the line started forming in front of the finish line. No idea what I'd have done about it, but I wish I'd heard it in person instead of 3rd party. |
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posted: 5/8/2008 at 8:00 PM |
| Oh, well, if we are talking taper, I think I tapered too long for my last marathon, but I am not sure. I hit my goal, so in the end it didn't matter. Meh, I didn't peak either, so no biggie there. |
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posted: 5/8/2008 at 8:02 PM
modified: 5/8/2008 at 8:02 PM |
Quote from zoom-zoom on 5/8/2008 at 2:01 PM:D00d...seriously?! 
Yes. Baltimore, OCT last year. |
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posted: 5/8/2008 at 8:53 PM |
| Quote from Run To Win on 5/8/2008 at 3:37 PM: That would depend totally upon your fitness level and how appropriate your goal pace is to your fitness level.
Personally, I wouldn't do a 16 miler at goal pace a week before hand. Then again, before my last marathon I did a 10.5 miler at tempo pace or a little quicker since I needed to test some new shoes and determine whether they were going to work for the marathon or not. (Mar 30 marathon @tempo was 6:50 pace, Apr 26 10.5 miler @6:37 pace, May 4 marathon at 6:15 pace)
So not quite marathon pace but not 16 miles either. I only ran 6:15 pace in the marathon, but my AMP runs in the weeks before that were at 6:00 pace which is what I wanted to run.
I take it AMP runs are Anticipated Marathon Pace runs? What do you attriibute the 6:15 pace (my hat's off to you on that!) versus your AMP of 6? My last marathon was my hometowner and it has some, for me, brutal hills starting at mile 13 and ending around mile 16. So I did this 16 miler (I did several 20milers so 16 I thought should be easy) over the hilly part of the course at my 'AMP' pace, 7:28, to give me some confidence that I could hold the pace during the race. So I did the 16 AMP run on Saturday, then pretty much rested till the race. I ran the race in 3:14:44, goal was 3:15, so I did OK. But for future races, I'm wondering if that was too much - maybe I was worn out from that effort?
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2008 Goals:
2000 miles for the year
100 mile week
Sub 3:10 marathon
Sub 19min 5K |
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| view log Trample the Weak |
posted: 5/8/2008 at 9:01 PM |
| Quote from Run To Win on 5/8/2008 at 3:37 PM: I only ran 6:15 pace in the marathon,
Yeah. That sucks. Try harder. |
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posted: 5/9/2008 at 1:34 AM |
| Quote from kencamet on 5/8/2008 at 8:53 PM: I take it AMP runs are Anticipated Marathon Pace runs? What do you attriibute the 6:15 pace (my hat's off to you on that!) versus your AMP of 6?
First, I was pretty scared of the 6 minute pace and went out for what I figured would wind up being around 6:10 average. My training didn't go exactly to plan in the 5 weeks between the marathons and I hadn't gotten in as much 6:00/pace work as I had wanted to really instill it into me.
Second, I had somebody to run with for the first 16 miles that was hoping to run that same pace as I was going, so I didn't have any motivation to pick it up until I could tell that I was only hurting his race by giving him somebody to keep pacing off of. (He was a 1st time marathoner looking for 2:40 and ran a 2:55 - still pretty damn good!)
Third, I basically had nobody running with me from 16 through the end. I had 3 miles of looking up and gaining on 1st place, but passed him around mile 19 and after that it was just me, a couple cops ahead of me, and a bunch of bikers behind me.
Fourth, while I really enjoyed the course and it certainly wasn't as difficult as some of the races that I ran, it did have a few good climbers in there that contributed to a couple of slow miles in there.
And yeah, Anticipated Marathon Pace / At Marathon Pace is what AMP stands for.
Quote from JakeKnight on 5/8/2008 at 9:01 PM:Yeah. That sucks. Try harder.
Don't worry, I will. But first I need to break the 16 minute barrier in the 5k. After that, I'll probably aim for running my first 50 miler (next Spring?) and then next Autumn aim for mid-2:30s in the marathon. That's the general game plan right now, but isn't set in stone yet.
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Run to Win
I just started using Twitter - anybody else on there? http://twitter.com/BlaineMoore
"Slow down--if you wanted that time, you should have run faster during the rest of the race!"
I wish I'd been there to hear that as the line started forming in front of the finish line. No idea what I'd have done about it, but I wish I'd heard it in person instead of 3rd party. |
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