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posted: 4/16/2008 at 9:30 AM
modified: 4/16/2008 at 9:35 AM |
yet another injury post (yaip)
but i am at my wits end. i seem to go from injury to injury. i've been running about two years and never seem to not have an injury of one degree or another. i am now on the verge of quitting - except that i can't let running go, or, it won't let me go. i love running and get a lot out of it.
i've always had a dodgy left knee and running seems to have helped that although it is always niggly.
since november 2007 i've had what appears to be piriformis syndrome, i've pretty much stretched that one out after taking december off. had a good january, got sick in feb and ran 70 miles in march. now i have a really sore right knee which has never given me a problem before. it virtually seizes up overnight. i've rested it for the last two weeks and gone through the whole RICE thing as well as swallowing lots of ibuprofen. it seemed to be fine but i went out for a gentle 3 miles this morning and it has returned with a vengeance.
modified to add that i also have a sore achilles with this knee injury.
i run in asics 2120 which were sold to me after a gait analysis. they have just under 200 miles on them. previously i had nike air structure triax's which did about 500 miles. i also alternate my asics with mudroc 290 fell/ trail shoes.
i am only 43 and i am angry that my body is letting me down when i feel that there are many miles ahead of me. i don't think that i am bio mechanically inefficient.
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posted: 4/16/2008 at 12:30 PM |
Nearly all of your training runs are at a much faster pace than you can run 8 miles in a race. Slow those training runs down for awhile. At least most of them. Also, if you aren't try to run on softer surfaces for awhile.
If all injuries occured in that pair of shoes, then it is probably the shoes. If not, then something else. Could be lots of factors: diet, stress, sleep.
Don't use too many painkillers. |
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posted: 4/16/2008 at 12:45 PM |
| Run slower, shorter, and more often. Go out for one 10 minute mile some day. Don't try to go hard. In the month of March, almost half your milage was in your long runs. You need more frequent running to keep the strength up for injury prevention. |
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posted: 4/16/2008 at 1:12 PM |
Hi Duncan, nice to meet a fellow Rhodesian/Zim!
(I have lived in Canada since 1970, but have a daughter and her family still living in Harare.)
Not sure what to say about your problem, but I wonder if you are doing something that strains the right knee in trying to avoid stressing the wonky left knee. I also had low mileage due to illnesses (and laziness or lack pof motivation) in March after a good February, and have been working back gradually, but not at my best level yet.
Might be worth going to some sort of sports medic to discuss.
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posted: 4/16/2008 at 1:41 PM |
| Quote from Viich on 4/16/2008 at 12:45 PM: In the month of March, almost half your milage was in your long runs. You need more frequent running to keep the strength up for injury prevention.
Yep.
Quote from egge0080 on 4/16/2008 at 12:30 PM:Nearly all of your training runs are at a much faster pace than you can run 8 miles in a race. Slow those training runs down for awhile. At least most of them. Also, if you aren't try to run on softer surfaces for awhile.
Yep.
Run more consistently. Run more often. Either drop the long runs or don't stress them so much. Above all else, run easier for most of your runs. Much easier. For now, I'd do nothing but easy runs if I were you. Take walk breaks or at least consider them. They help keep you injury free. Even when you do heal, no more than one or two "hard" runs a week.
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posted: 4/16/2008 at 3:29 PM |
Need a data point? I was you a couple of years ago, right down to the age. Then I slowed down the pace of most of my runs by roughly 2 min per mile, and it was like a miracle. I went from barely being able to walk upon waking in the morning, running in agony, having to cut runs short (and this was at less than 20 mi per week) to comfortably running over 30 mi per week (and still going up). Yes, it's hard to run slow, but your pace will pick back up in time. Best wishes to you.
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posted: 4/16/2008 at 3:41 PM |
| Quote from Viich on 4/16/2008 at 12:45 PM: Run slower, shorter, and more often.
That sums it up right there.
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posted: 4/16/2008 at 3:58 PM |
To run faster you must run longer.
To run longer you must run slower.
FTR - I think running is overrated. The feeling I get after I run is the drug. |
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posted: 4/16/2008 at 4:11 PM |
You don't say what you do for warm-ups before running. When i started running, I was getting hurt all the time (I started at age 50).
I was stretching before a run, but still pulling muscles legs problems, knee problems etc. Then my Dr (who was also a runner and older than me) told me that a common mistake most people do, is that they stretch cold muscles and you should warm up your muscles first. I found an article on the former CR website (I might have it stored) about it and it gave variuos recommendations about warming up your muscles before stretching. I tried to run short distances first and then stretch, but didn't like that routine. Finally, I started walking a half mile first, loosening up my joints, doing various arm and joint rotations etc during my walk. Then I stretch for about 5 minutes and run. I've been using this routine now for over two years and have not had any major injuries, well at least not ones from normal running. (we won't count tripping over a lip in the pavement and breaking to ribs or jumping up and down after the recent Superbowl and leaping form the couch to the bed and hurting my leg).
I have recommended this practice to several people all in the itermediate range and they have tried it and like it as well. Yes, it increases the time for a workout, but well worth it if it helps avoid injury.
Also, at home, if I didn't run that day and want to stretch, I'll ride my stationary bike for 10-15 minutes to warm up and then stretch. |
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posted: 4/17/2008 at 7:04 PM
modified: 4/17/2008 at 7:08 PM |
| Quote from egge0080 on 4/16/2008 at 12:30 PM: Don't use too many painkillers.
thanks!
i don't like to take pills as it is, do my best not to.
Quote from SimonR on 4/16/2008 at 1:12 PM:Hi Duncan, nice to meet a fellow Rhodesian/Zim!
(I have lived in Canada since 1970, but have a daughter and her family still living in Harare.)
tatenda shamwari, nice to meet you, come for a run in london sometime
thanks to everyone for your input, i am feeling much more encouraged than i was yesterday.
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sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology (joe slovo)
The race for excellence has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march.
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posted: 4/18/2008 at 4:28 PM |
Have you been to a good sports therapist?
Sometimes problems originate in areas of the body that you would not even DREAM were the problem. Like my shinsplints last year were being caused by weak piriformis. The obvious symptoms (chronic tight calves) were being exacerbated by the weak piri...which who works on their hips to fix their shins?
Anyway...that is my "expert" advice
My amateur advice is stability exercises...Bosu, core, etc. Injuries that move around are often because of imbalances in muscle strength and as you "fix" one area with stretches or strength work the injury just gets pulled to a different area. |
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posted: 4/20/2008 at 11:16 AM |
| Quote from jEfFgObLuE on 4/16/2008 at 3:41 PM: That sums it up right there.
JK, JEffGoBlue,
thanks guys, I think that's my record for getting my response quoted. Especially in 3 hours. |
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