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No offense.

    Well, Nobby seems to be saying something along the same lines, unless I am misinterpreting him, and he seems to have achieved positive results for himself, his wife, and his athletes. Dunno . . .
    I'm not saying that nobby or your coach are "wrong" or providing bad advice. I'm merely saying that if I followed the advice of your coach, I wouldn't be doing the things that I like to do. That's all. I seem to recover just fine from runs that are longer than 3 hours. And I know a lot of runners, people I consider fast runners, medium runners, and not fast runners, who do as well. (As an aside, I have also participated in many marathons and triathlons and am a certified trainer. My experience is different from other people's experience. That doesn't make me "wrong" either... for my specific instance and for my goals. Nobby and others have helped out numerous people and are wise, and that's all goodness.)

    Ultima tastes like failure.

      I'm not saying that nobby or your coach are "wrong" or providing bad advice. I'm merely saying that if I followed the advice of your coach, I wouldn't be doing the things that I like to do. That's all. I seem to recover just fine from runs that are longer than 3 hours.
      You should have clarified this in your post. Obviously, you have different goals (which you have stated elsewhere) than the runners who were seeking advice on this thread. There are, obviously, other legitimate lenses through which running can be seen, but if you're changing lenses, then some indication of the new frame of reference would be valuable. MTA: Okay, I wrote this before your modifications, which help to clarify. Sorry.

      In the fight between you and the world, back the world. --Kafka

      The Logic of Long Distance


      No offense.

        You should have clarified this in your post. Obviously, you have different goals (which you have stated elsewhere) than the runners who were seeking advice on this thread. There are, obviously, other legitimate lenses through which running can be seen, but if you're changing lenses, then some indication of the new frame of reference would be valuable. MTA: Okay, I wrote this before your modifications, which help to clarify. Sorry.
        I did modify the post, sorry for not doing that before I originally posted. But the "elsewhere" is... earlier in this same thread. So it seems fairly self contained to this discussion. When I read something like "the body does not..." what I hear in my brain is a fellow trainer presenting something as a universal-something that may not exactly be universal. Everyone is different.

        Ultima tastes like failure.

          But the "elsewhere" is... earlier in this same thread.
          This is true. Good point. I also agree that everyone is different, but I don't think that anyone here understands themselves to be making universal claims; at our best, we are speaking, like you, from personal experience.

          In the fight between you and the world, back the world. --Kafka

          The Logic of Long Distance


          My Uterus Will Fall Out?

            . . . at our best, we are speaking, like you, from personal experience.
            And I, for one, could definitely use more experience, Smile so very much appreciate taking in other people's perspectives. (Cripes! It took me 3 times to try and get this to post. Too bad it isn't more profound. Big grin )

            Leslie
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            What does Tunis make?

              I found one article on Kouros' training & outlook on training http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=7582 It's ... different than anything I've read before. He attributes primacy to mental focus and detachment, and apparently trains short stuff ,using races for long runs. Of course, maybe he is different from ordinary people.

              It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


              What does Tunis make?

                PS: Kouros uses his races as long runs, he says there (allegedly) -- so in that way he is like srlopez. I'm sure Kouros races far fewer races (albeit the ones he does are probably mostly at very high intensity level).

                It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


                Resting? get a hug!!!

                  the heck with coaches. Just do what your heart tells you to do. Push yourself...you are an athlete after all. Push to your limit...then back off for a week...to then push the limit again...

                   

                  Pushing the limit goes with miles, speed and race distances...what the heck...we all have only one life to live and we are NOT going to be Olympians after all. So just run to your heart's content!!!!!

                  "Dream big...then run hard toward those dreams!!!

                   

                   


                  Slow-smooth-fast

                    Lovin' this thread, I am currently training for Marathon in Octo, and have lined up about 6 x 20milers. Will see how it goes.

                    Last time round I did about 4 20+ and I felt like it gave me a mental edge, what works for the individual I suppose.

                    I think the most important is overall mileage. I am just trying to get in a lot of miles easy pace for the first 12 weeks, as I do want to get in a hundred mile week.

                     

                    MTA, having spoken to my Uncle Terrence Edmondson, reknowned ultra runner in the 80s he advocates 3x20miles...................................per day in build up to a 6day event. In fact, I believe his highest week was 479miles. SICK!!!

                    "I've been following Eddy's improvement over the last two years on this site, and it's been pretty dang solid. Sure the weekly mileage has been up and down, but over the long haul he's getting out the door and has turned himself into quite a runner. He's only now just figuring out his potential. Consistency in running is measured in years, not weeks. And over the last couple of years, Eddy's made great strides" Jeff 14 Jan 2009

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