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posted: 6/17/2008 at 8:30 PM |
| Quote from modal on 6/17/2008 at 8:26 PM: Shoot true mopeds are hybrids.
Yes, but it really sucks to operate them in their "gas saving mode". |
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posted: 6/17/2008 at 8:31 PM |
Quote from Marcus L S on 6/17/2008 at 8:19 PM:Bonkin: lives in Texas and owns a truck. How novel. 
Yes. It makes me feel very unique. |
Your monkey gives me the creeps. - andahuff
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posted: 6/17/2008 at 8:33 PM |
Quote from modal on 6/17/2008 at 8:26 PM:Exactly... why you went from a Accord to a genetically modified horse?  I'm surprised I haven't seen more moped stuff from the  crowd. Shoot true mopeds are hybrids.
If I could have a job that allowed me to ride a horse to work, well it would be cool.
I know a joke and mopeds and....ah not going to go there.
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posted: 6/17/2008 at 8:48 PM |
| Quote from greenrunning on 6/17/2008 at 6:34 PM: Good point. If you are buying a new car anyway then it makes sense to get something small and efficient. I'm pretty sure our next purchase will be an Accord.
I just bought a Honda Fit - it's shorter than a Civic, more interior room, and supposedly gets pretty good gas mileage. (I haven't had to fill up the tank yet so I don't know what I'm actually getting. I bought it Saturday.)
Basically drove 2 cars into the ground in the process of getting the Fit. Donated the truck a few months ago and getting rid of the loaner we've been driving this coming weekend. No financing costs on the Fit and only 5-10 miles "worse" miles per gallon than a hybrid.
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posted: 6/17/2008 at 9:11 PM |
| Quote from Marcus L S on 6/17/2008 at 8:33 PM: If I could have a job that allowed me to ride a horse to work, well it would be cool.
I know a joke and mopeds and....ah not going to go there.
I bet attorneys in Alaska can ride a horse to work. |
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posted: 6/17/2008 at 9:26 PM |
Ahhh...the eternal questions....since there is no "non-hybrid" Prius (unlike the other models listed) -- what are they comparing it to calculate the payback for the 'hybrid model price premium' ?
What is the cost of those 500lb nimh-based batteries in the waste stream ?
Why is ethanol the law of the land when it takes more energy to produce than it yields ?
What about all the rural states where turbo-diesels get better mileage than the hybrids (hybrids get their best mileage in stop-n-go, not 70mph at -10F), but we can't buy them?
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| formerly known as GravelRd, but I've changed to an earnest, running milk bottle. That little guy looks like he's truckin. |
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posted: 6/17/2008 at 10:22 PM
modified: 6/17/2008 at 10:23 PM |
| Quote from obiebyke on 6/17/2008 at 9:56 PM: Hard questions, but just because there are conflicting answers doesn't mean we should stop trying, IMO.
I agree, it sounded more negative than I intended.
One more -- why, oh why, do people insist on calling plug-in electric vehicles "zero emission" ? Are there magic electrical power sources that are just for these vehicles !
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| formerly known as GravelRd, but I've changed to an earnest, running milk bottle. That little guy looks like he's truckin. |
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posted: 6/17/2008 at 11:21 PM |
| Quote from MilkTruck on 6/17/2008 at 10:22 PM: I agree, it sounded more negative than I intended.
One more -- why, oh why, do people insist on calling plug-in electric vehicles "zero emission" ? Are there magic electrical power sources that are just for these vehicles !
Depends on where you get your power. Mine is 100% wind generated from the utility. I will probably switch over to solar PV, on my roof, in the next couple of years as the price of PV panels drops. That's a zero emission source of power once the wind turbine or panel manufacturing has been reached/offset.
I sold my old full size '00 GMC truck (14.8 mpg city) for $5500 and bought a '99 Civic (getting 34mpg in town) for $3500. Hard to beat those economics! (unless you require a truck daily. I need one so infrequently that it's cheaper to just rent one when I do and more than double my gas mileage)
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posted: 6/18/2008 at 12:16 AM |
| Quote from andahuff on 6/17/2008 at 8:28 PM: The other thing to think about is that you have to replace the batteries and my understanding is that they are very expensive.
The Prius has an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty. 10 years and 150K in California.
The cost is somewhere in the $2-3000 range but so far, I've never actually read a post or talked to an owner who's replaced one. With all the Priuses on the road, there is likely to be a good secondary market for batteries, either from junk yards or aftermarket.
42 MPG in the city (my actual mileage with mostly VERY short trips) is a thing of beauty. A regular Camry or Accord would probably struggle to get much over 20 with similar driving patterns. My 4 cylinder Saab wagon used to get something like 19. I'm saving more than half on my gas, not to mention all the times we take the hybrid instead of my wife's SUV. |
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posted: 6/18/2008 at 12:53 AM |
I dont understand when they say "years to break even". break even from what? buying a new car, or leasing one or whatever is still money out of your pocket. it never "pays for itself"! and its really getting annoying to be all the back and forth crap about the good and bad sides of "being greener". its like all the debates in this world that are never going to end.
either buy the stupid car because it will get better mileage for you, or help the environment, or don't. why cant it just be commended upon that some people are finally trying to be more conscious about destroying the planet, or throwing their money out the window due to gas prices? its getting to the point where you're damned if you do, or your damned if you don't. no wonder so many people are just saying screw it and doing what they want. "for every action there's an opposite reaction." isnt that the quote?
thats just my rant.....
and for the record, i will probably be getting a prius as well. gas is only gonna get worse so if it can decrease my spending even by alittle bit, its worth it to me. |
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posted: 6/18/2008 at 1:19 AM |
| Quote from cgerber on 6/17/2008 at 11:21 PM: (unless you require a truck daily. I need one so infrequently that it's cheaper to just rent one when I do and more than double my gas mileage)
- Chris
That reminds me...I hear SO many people who claim they NEED a truck because they occasionally do things like replace windows in their house, remodeling, yadda yadda. We replaced nearly all of our downstairs windows and put in pine plank flooring--some planks were 12' long. What did we bring most of this stuff home with...an '89 Honda Civic Si hatchback with the passenger seat removed.
When we re-did our kitchen and bought new countertops we rented a truck from Menard's (or Lowe's).
Funny how many of the same people who "needed" these vehicles now whine that they can't afford to fuel them. One family I know is about to short sale their house, yet in the next breath they talk about how they could never sell their Hummer H3. Flippin' loonies.  |
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posted: 6/18/2008 at 1:49 AM
modified: 6/18/2008 at 1:52 AM |
| Quote from cewickbe on 6/18/2008 at 12:53 AM: I dont understand when they say "years to break even". break even from what?
They are referring to the extra cost associated with buying a hybrid. How long will it take for you to make up the difference you paid to get better gas mileage. The chart was based on gas at $4.01 per gallon so if prices keep going up the break even point will get shorter.
I've been needing a new vehicle for a while and have been debating the whole hybrid vs non-hybrid. I can't afford either right now so I'll just be driving my truck until it stops. The way the drive train vibrates now, it probably won't be much longer.  Hopefully I can pay off last years repairs before it gives out. |
Ross
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• Run for 5 min - 15 min - 30 min
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posted: 6/18/2008 at 1:58 AM |
| Quote from andahuff on 6/17/2008 at 8:28 PM: The other thing to think about is that you have to replace the batteries and my understanding is that they are very expensive.
According to this article the cost of the batteries are coming down. |
Ross
2008 Goals
• Escape from O'Hare terminal G 11:45 5/3/08
• Run for 5 min - 15 min - 30 min
• 5k 10k - 4m/HM
• Weight < 200 |
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