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A disturbance in the force (Read 1030 times)


Feeling the growl again

    The NY Marathon course record is now roughly thirty seconds faster than Chicago's....

    "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

     


    Hawt and sexy

      Um, no.

       

      Oh, you mean the boyies record.

      I'm touching your pants.

      DoppleBock


        Because NY is that much more awesome than Chicago ... Maybe some year Chicago will not have 80+ degree weather.

         

        I bet that really pisses Chicago off. 

         

        The NY Marathon course record is now roughly thirty seconds faster than Chicago's....

        http://a-big-horse.blogspot.com/ 

        2013 Goals ~ Mar < 3:00, 5M < 29, 10k < 35  

         

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          Second City.

           

            And in the Wow! What a Surprise (News) category, @cnnbrk tweets:

             

            Kenyan, Ethiopian win this year's ING New York #Marathon on.cnn.com/sSjsQT

             

             

            I'm shocked, shocked! I say.


            HobbyJogger & HobbyRacer

              An excuse to make some tables...

               

              Marathon Majors, from wikipedia

               

              Course Records

               

              mara men women
              NYC 2:05:06 (Geoffrey Mutai, 2011) 2:22:31 (Margaret Okayo, 2003)
              Chicago 2:05:37 (Moses Mosop, 2011) 2:17:18 (Paul Radcliffe, 2002)
              London 2:04:40 (Emmanuel Mutai, 2011) 2:15:25 (Paula Radcliffe, 2003)
              Berlin 2:03:38 (Patrick Makau, 2011) 2:19:12 (Mizuki Noguchi, 2005)
              Boston 2:03:02 (Geoffrey Mutai, 2011) 2:20:43 (Margaret Okayo, 2002)

               

              For the men, that's Boston, Berlin, London, NYC, Chicago

              For the women, that's London, Chicago, Berlin, Boston, NYC

               

              WRs

              London F 1926 Violet Piercy 3:40:22 "Short Course"
              Boston M 1947 Suh Yun-Bok 2:25:39 "Disputed"
              Chicago M 1984 Steve Jones 2:08:05  
              NYC F 1971 Elizabeth Bonner 2:55:22  
              Boston F 1975 Liane Winter 2:42:24  
              Berlin F 1977 Christa Vahlensieck 2:34:47.5  
              NYC F 1978 Grete Waitz 2:32:29.8  
              NYC F 1979 Grete Waitz 2:27:32.6  
              NYC F 1980 Grete Waitz 2:25:41.3  
              London F 1981 Joyce Smith 2:29:57  
              London F 1983 Grete Waitz 2:25:28.7  
              Boston F 1983 Joan Benoit 2:22:43  
              London F 1984 Ingrid Kristiansen 2:24:26  
              London F 1985 Ingrid Kristiansen 2:21:06  
              Berlin M 1998 Ronaldo da Costa 2:06:05  
              Berlin F 1999 Tegla Loroupe 2:20:43  
              Chicago M 1999 Khalid Khannouchi 2:05:42  
              Berlin F 2001 Naoko Takahashi 2:19:46  
              Chicago F 2001 Catherine Ndereba  2:18:47  
              Chicago F 2002 Paula Radcliffe  2:17:18  
              Berlin M 2003 Paul Tergat 2:04:55   
              London F 2003 Paula Radcliffe 2:15:25  
              Berlin M 2007 Haile Gebrselassie 2:04:26   
              Berlin M 2008 Haile Gebrselassie 2:03:59  
              Berlin M 2011 Patrick Makau 2:03:38  

               

              city men's WR women's WR total WR
              Boston 1 1 2
              Chicago 2 2 4
              NYC - 4 4
              London - 6 6
              Berlin 5 3 8

              It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


              HobbyJogger & HobbyRacer

                And in the Wow! What a Surprise (News) category, @cnnbrk tweets:

                 

                Kenyan, Ethiopian win this year's ING New York #Marathon on.cnn.com/sSjsQT

                 

                 

                I'm shocked, shocked! I say.

                 

                It didn't look like an Ethiopian for the women's win, for the first 13 miles, at least. In fact it took her about 25mi? to catch the leader, and about 26mi to get the lead.

                It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.

                  It didn't look like an Ethiopian for the women's win, for the first 13 miles, at least. In fact it took her about 25mi? to catch the leader, and about 26mi to get the lead.

                   

                  Mary Keitany's pace was kind of crazy at the beginning tho'. She ran at more or less world record pace for quite a long way. Since it's  generally regarded as a slow course, and nobody has been anywhere close to the world record for years you have to wonder what she was doing. 2:20 would have easily been good for the win and certain selection for the Olympics - why go out at 2:15 pace?

                   

                  She really looked like she was suffering in the last 15km and it wasn't a surprise that the other two caught her. She did manage to rally a bit when they reached her which must have taken a real effort.


                  HobbyJogger & HobbyRacer

                    I thought I saw a while ago that she (Mary Keitany) said she wanted to take a shot at the WR?   I'm guessing that is what she was doing at NY. And failed, obviously.

                    It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


                    Feeling the growl again

                       I bet that really pisses Chicago off. 

                       

                      I doubt it, actually.  I saw a quote from them before the race this year that was to the effect that Chicago had "moved past chasing records".  

                       

                      In other words, I guess they're focused on the 99(.9)% and the accompanying $$$ they are raking in.

                       

                      I think what this trend says to me, and the reason I wanted to highlight it, is that in just a few years a lot of the African runners have gotten a sudden boost of utter confidence.  They really believe they can keep pushing the record down, even on a course that is "slow" like NY.  I wonder if we (the US) has this same belief and fearlessness?

                       

                      Mary K's stunt may have been suicidal, or it may have been an example of this belief.  Sometimes it will work and sometimes it will not.  

                      "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

                       


                      Hawt and sexy

                        I think Keitany was having a Grete Waitz moment. She really thought she could do it there or anywhere. She failed, but still managed to hold on to a respectable finish. It was a bizarre throwback to the Waitz and Benoit era for me. With most other elites out and resting for trials and such, she had a good shot at a win at least, just didn't work out.

                        I'm touching your pants.

                          Certain races have relationships with certain African athletes and their agents.  Some of those runners are always going to run NY, others Chicago.

                           

                          Sammy Wanjiru was one of the greatest modern marathoners, and had a strong relationship with Chicago (winner in 2009 and 2010).  Who knows what he might have done in 2011 and beyond at Chicago if not for his untimely death.

                          How To Run a Marathon: Step 1 - start running. There is no Step 2.
                          DoppleBock


                            I saw where Meb - said he felt he had a great shot ... unless one of the African Runners was going to push it and run a 2:05 or 2:06 ... I think he has the power of seeing the future ... just kiding - But it goes to show he feels he is limited in the 2:08-2:09 range. So he is limited. 

                             

                            I doubt it, actually.  I saw a quote from them before the race this year that was to the effect that Chicago had "moved past chasing records".  

                             

                            In other words, I guess they're focused on the 99(.9)% and the accompanying $$$ they are raking in.

                             

                            I think what this trend says to me, and the reason I wanted to highlight it, is that in just a few years a lot of the African runners have gotten a sudden boost of utter confidence.  They really believe they can keep pushing the record down, even on a course that is "slow" like NY.  I wonder if we (the US) has this same belief and fearlessness?

                             

                            Mary K's stunt may have been suicidal, or it may have been an example of this belief.  Sometimes it will work and sometimes it will not.  

                            http://a-big-horse.blogspot.com/ 

                            2013 Goals ~ Mar < 3:00, 5M < 29, 10k < 35  

                             

                              An excuse to make some tables...

                               

                              Marathon Majors, from wikipedia

                               

                              Course Records

                               

                              mara men women
                              NYC 2:05:06 (Geoffrey Mutai, 2011) 2:22:31 (Margaret Okayo, 2003)
                              Chicago 2:05:37 (Moses Mosop, 2011) 2:17:18 (Paul Radcliffe, 2002)
                              London 2:04:40 (Emmanuel Mutai, 2011) 2:15:25 (Paula Radcliffe, 2003)
                              Berlin 2:03:38 (Patrick Makau, 2011) 2:19:12 (Mizuki Noguchi, 2005)
                              Boston 2:03:02 (Geoffrey Mutai, 2011) 2:20:43 (Margaret Okayo, 2002)

                               

                              For the men, that's Boston, Berlin, London, NYC, Chicago

                              For the women, that's London, Chicago, Berlin, Boston, NYC

                               

                              WRs

                              London F 1926 Violet Piercy 3:40:22 "Short Course"
                              Boston M 1947 Suh Yun-Bok 2:25:39 "Disputed"
                              Chicago M 1984 Steve Jones 2:08:05  
                              NYC F 1971 Elizabeth Bonner 2:55:22  
                              Boston F 1975 Liane Winter 2:42:24  
                              Berlin F 1977 Christa Vahlensieck 2:34:47.5  
                              NYC F 1978 Grete Waitz 2:32:29.8  
                              NYC F 1979 Grete Waitz 2:27:32.6  
                              NYC F 1980 Grete Waitz 2:25:41.3  
                              London F 1981 Joyce Smith 2:29:57  
                              London F 1983 Grete Waitz 2:25:28.7  
                              Boston F 1983 Joan Benoit 2:22:43  
                              London F 1984 Ingrid Kristiansen 2:24:26  
                              London F 1985 Ingrid Kristiansen 2:21:06  
                              Berlin M 1998 Ronaldo da Costa 2:06:05  
                              Berlin F 1999 Tegla Loroupe 2:20:43  
                              Chicago M 1999 Khalid Khannouchi 2:05:42  
                              Berlin F 2001 Naoko Takahashi 2:19:46  
                              Chicago F 2001 Catherine Ndereba  2:18:47  
                              Chicago F 2002 Paula Radcliffe  2:17:18  
                              Berlin M 2003 Paul Tergat 2:04:55   
                              London F 2003 Paula Radcliffe 2:15:25  
                              Berlin M 2007 Haile Gebrselassie 2:04:26   
                              Berlin M 2008 Haile Gebrselassie 2:03:59  
                              Berlin M 2011 Patrick Makau 2:03:38  

                               

                              city men's WR women's WR total WR
                              Boston 1 1 2
                              Chicago 2 2 4
                              NYC - 4 4
                              London - 6 6
                              Berlin 5 3 8

                               

                              ur good at charts AP

                                I am curious who people think will be selected for the Kenyan men's marathon Olympic team.  It seems that it is going to be a difficult choice and some very good marathoners are going to be staying home. 

                                Once a runner . . .

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