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What else do you recommend for staying injury free? (Read 362 times)

sport jester


Biomimeticist

    Given fact that I teach military clients, if you're a trail runner, then you need to better understand the surface you're running on and the landing mechanics necessary to navigate the environment safely.

     

    First off, is that you naturally pronate when you run. Athletes naturally adapted to unstable surface environments run pigeon toed. Understanding why is the science you need to learn.

     

    Because most trails are concave surfaces, running pronated increases the stress loads to the lower leg and shin splints in landing, running pigeon toed has biomechanic advantages. It also puts the knee in a more neutral position to reduce its stress loads, especially when running down hill.

     

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8784703

    Experts said the world is flat

    Experts said that man would never fly

    Experts said we'd never go to the moon

     

    Name me one of those "experts"...

     

    History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong


    Latent Runner

      Interesting stuff about pigeon toed trail running; prior to 2009 most of my running has been on hard uniform surfaces, however, after suffering my second broken leg (2nd one was a bad one requiring an Open Reduction) my surgeon told me I'd walk with a limp for the rest of my life and that my running days were effectively over.  In 2009, after a six year layoff due to the broken leg, I discovered if I ran on dirt I could run without getting injured, and since then I've logged several thousand miles on various trails.

       

      Kinda-sorta supporting your comments above, when I look at pictures of me running in 2009 I had a distinct toe-out running style which, to my eye at least, looked ungainly.  Last year, and to an even greater degree this year, all of the various race photos of me show  me with a toe-foreward or even a slight toe-in foot position.  I wonder if the trail running has caused me to gradually relearn how to run.

      Fat old man PRs:

      • 1-mile (point to point, gravity assist): 5:50
      • 2-mile: 13:49
      • 5K (gravity assist last mile): 21:31
      • 5-Mile: 37:24
      • 10K (first 10K of my Half Marathon): 48:16
      • 10-Mile (first 10 miles of my Half Marathon): 1:17:40
      • Half Marathon: 1:42:13
      hectortrojan


        Interesting stuff about pigeon toed trail running; prior to 2009 most of my running has been on hard uniform surfaces, however, after suffering my second broken leg (2nd one was a bad one requiring an Open Reduction) my surgeon told me I'd walk with a limp for the rest of my life and that my running days were effectively over.  In 2009, after a six year layoff due to the broken leg, I discovered if I ran on dirt I could run without getting injured, and since then I've logged several thousand miles on various trails.

         

        Kinda-sorta supporting your comments above, when I look at pictures of me running in 2009 I had a distinct toe-out running style which, to my eye at least, looked ungainly.  Last year, and to an even greater degree this year, all of the various race photos of me show  me with a toe-foreward or even a slight toe-in foot position.  I wonder if the trail running has caused me to gradually relearn how to run.

         

        seems like it is obvious that for most of us running on asphalt a lot is not good. I wonder what is the secrete for some people like dean karnazes who run thousands of miles both on road and on trails without getting injured!?

        sport jester


        Biomimeticist

          Or you found the surface which best suites your running style...

           

          To me its a blending of both worlds. The power necessary to be good at level sprints can be very easily created in steep incline and decline hill environments.

           

          There's a reason T Rex used the same technique...

          http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v415/n6871/images/415494a-f1.0.jpg

          Experts said the world is flat

          Experts said that man would never fly

          Experts said we'd never go to the moon

           

          Name me one of those "experts"...

           

          History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong


          #artbydmcbride

             

            Runners run


            Latent Runner

              To me its a blending of both worlds. The power necessary to be good at level sprints can be very easily created in steep incline and decline hill environments.

               

              I've always heard that, but for me at least it hasn't proven to be true.  When I was younger, like mid-40s and younger, I was always able to out sprint my competition when heading into the finish line.  Now I get trounced regularly.

               

              One of the guys on my company running team, a 50-year old "youngster", can literally leave me in a cloud of dust when we kick the speed up near the end of a long run, however, he has no hope of staying with me when climbing a hill in the midst of a long run, the longer and steeper the better.

              Fat old man PRs:

              • 1-mile (point to point, gravity assist): 5:50
              • 2-mile: 13:49
              • 5K (gravity assist last mile): 21:31
              • 5-Mile: 37:24
              • 10K (first 10K of my Half Marathon): 48:16
              • 10-Mile (first 10 miles of my Half Marathon): 1:17:40
              • Half Marathon: 1:42:13
              xhristopher


                 

                 

                 

                The speed of the T Rex is subject to debate. Current research suggests that T Rex was not as fast as hollywood would like us to believe.

                 

                SillyC



                   

                  Learn to listen to your body and be wary of the advice you get from people on the internet.

                   

                  Yeah, no kidding - what works for me might not work for you.

                  sport jester


                  Biomimeticist

                    I didn't say they were identical. There is a significant overlap in skills, however the two environments each have their own distinct biomechanic processes to master.

                     

                    With hills, the resistance is the same as running flat. That's where the power advantage you have comes in for steeper incline running. What you lack are the refined balance skills necessary to be good at it on level surfaces. Those can be learned.

                    Experts said the world is flat

                    Experts said that man would never fly

                    Experts said we'd never go to the moon

                     

                    Name me one of those "experts"...

                     

                    History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong

                    sport jester


                    Biomimeticist

                      The T-Rex running mechanic extrapolations are based upon human parallel leg swing and human inverted pendulum mechanics.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re7RCrHdVCQ

                       

                      No different than for Mungo Park with human record proving the fraud perpetuated, the fossil record of how they run were completely different.

                       

                      I'll study and believe fossil prints long before I believe what the experts tell me is true.

                      Experts said the world is flat

                      Experts said that man would never fly

                      Experts said we'd never go to the moon

                       

                      Name me one of those "experts"...

                       

                      History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong

                          No different than for Mungo Park with human record proving the fraud perpetuated, the fossil record of how they run were completely different.

                           

                          Wait.... a what what?

                          Ready, go.

                           

                            Don't do anything......just sit in the couch...and drink a lot.

                              MajorMalfunction has a pretty good idea of what to do to stay injury free. I would like to add my .02 worth, definately drink alot and incorporate some weed into your training too. I'm experimenting with smoking a bowl and drinking a glass of wine before running, a WHOLE glass, not just half a glass, sometimes 3-4 beers too and everything has been great so far. No problems, knees feel fine, back, everything feels great.


                              Latent Runner

                                MajorMalfunction has a pretty good idea of what to do to stay injury free. I would like to add my .02 worth, definately drink alot and incorporate some weed into your training too. I'm experimenting with smoking a bowl and drinking a glass of wine before running, a WHOLE glass, not just half a glass, sometimes 3-4 beers too and everything has been great so far. No problems, knees feel fine, back, everything feels great.

                                 

                                Classic response from TrollFromNantucket; a waste of server storage space and a waste of time for everyone else on this board..

                                Fat old man PRs:

                                • 1-mile (point to point, gravity assist): 5:50
                                • 2-mile: 13:49
                                • 5K (gravity assist last mile): 21:31
                                • 5-Mile: 37:24
                                • 10K (first 10K of my Half Marathon): 48:16
                                • 10-Mile (first 10 miles of my Half Marathon): 1:17:40
                                • Half Marathon: 1:42:13
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