2000 miles of despondent sighing

Training Thread (Read 5870 times)

    Adapted from a recent post by Renato Canova on the letsrun message board.

    The question: Here's my problem: I'd love to make improvement in every area of training. When I try to do that, I get tired, then I supercompensate and run well, and then I get injured. Sometimes I get injured first and the good performances never come. Many people here say that we should run our easy days very easy as a way of avoiding injury. Never have I had two good seasons in a row, building one floor of improvement on top of another.

    My question is this: what, in your opinion, is the way for the runner to avoid injury--while trying to improve in every facet of training? What signs should we look for?



    The response: Take winter months, January, February, and March. For 8 weeks you do three types of runs. Long easy runs, long steady runs, long medium runs. I make this very simple. You know what these paces are. It is time to be simple. Build your miles each week. Start with many long easy runs, then progress to some long steady and long medium runs. In February add 8x100 meters two times per week. In March you add tempo runs one time per week, maybe 8k - 10k runs, also it is important that you add hill fartlek workouts in March one time per week. Everything else is long easy, long steady, and long medium runs. This three month cycle is very simple and easy.


    Why does Renato write workout plan for me that is not extreme, and complicated, and the same as he writes for his world class athletes? My friend, the reason is that the answer to your problem is to get simple, not complicated. Too many young athletes try to copy Shaheen or Kwalia workout plan. This my friend is very stupid. You need simple plan. You have simple plan. Now do it and stay healthy. This is not science that is molecular, it is common sense training. Gimpy my friend, when you get to 13:00 for 5k then we talk about rocket science training. But for now my friend, this will help you stay healthy.

      Now that this marathon is past, it's time to train some more!

       

      In order to keep myself from hijacking beginning running threads with incomprehensible prose, I will start this thread here.

       

      The rules have changed now that Trent is in charge. It's okay to talk running in the swamp.

       

      As a fellow swampite wrote me not too long ago:

       

      ya know, it may be time to pull off an honest to goodness thread about running instead of thank yous and quotes and boob pictures.  just start with the basics - call and response - and document.  agree/disagree on important parts. It IS as easy as slow, sometimes fast, but that is also garbage.  No coach would ever offer that to their athlete.


      Inglewood

        What the heck does 'steady' mean to you? All my easy runs are steady, in that there is little difference in pace.

        My tempos or medium paced runs are steady as well, so where does defining a run as steady come from?

        Ricky

        —our ability to perform up to our physiological potential in a race is determined by whether or not we truly psychologically believe that what we are attempting is realistic. Anton Krupicka


        Milktruck say relentless

          So racing every other weekend is right out?  What if you don't get injured, is it okay then?

           

          Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

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            The response: Take winter months, January, February, and March. For 8 weeks you do three types of runs. Long easy runs, long steady runs, long medium runs. I make this very simple. You know what these paces are. It is time to be simple. Build your miles each week. Start with many long easy runs, then progress to some long steady and long medium runs.

             I could use some help fleshing out this part of the advice. 


            Hawt and sexy

              So he is saying have a base phase, then add some striders for a while. In the final weeks add some hills and a tempo run, then run your races.  Then he adds the caveat of don't do what the elites are doing when you don't have the experience or speed required to do the workouts. KISS.  This is what I get out of this, assuming steady means regular, or a consistant workout schedule of 5-7 days a week.

               

              This is what I do, or try to do when I am healthy, and not doing stupid shit to screw up my running.  (I have bad habits, it happens.) Not exactly ground breaking stuff and it shouldn't be.  A few years of this and someone could make a ton of progress in running.  But that would be the point.  KISS and you will get better just by not doing crazy workouts you are not ready tackle.  Listen to your body and all that jazz.

               

              Running discussion in the swamp would be nice.  I am absolutely sure we have a bunch to learn from each other. We'll see I guess.

              I'm touching your pants.

              DoppleBock


                 I could use some help fleshing out this part of the advice. 

                 

                Well of course since a run is not long until you hit 20 miles - You all have to start running a minimum of 140 miles per week.  Some LSD (Easy), Some medium effort and some steady state (I am assuming between LSD and Medium)

                 

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                Prince of Fatness

                   steady state (I am assuming between LSD and Medium)

                   

                   

                  This is how I've interpreted it.  I just went out for such a run last weekend.  It was slower than MP, but definitely not easy especially considering that it was 2 hours worth.  I've heard talk about this being some kind of pace dead zone but I think it's a good workout.

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                  i sacrificed the gift

                    There is no such thing as a pace dead zone.
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                      The reason why beginner threads are the only ones that ever produce any decent running talk is that this sport really is that simple and anyone who's been at it a while with any real gusto already has that figured out.

                      Runners run.


                      The King of Beasts

                        What the heck does 'steady' mean to you?

                         

                        I like the color green so I lump all my recovery, easy, and steady runs together.

                         

                        but this is the order i use:  recovery-easy-steady-tempo-hard

                         

                        not always depending on pace, I use effort, on a good day steady may in fact be faster than a recent tempo effort.

                         

                        I did a lot of "steady" on the way to the Monkey, and i think it paid off.

                         

                        Help?

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                          Inglewood

                            The definition of 'steady' is smooth, regular, even and slow. I don't see that as being a run type other than easy, maybe medium. whatever.

                            Ricky

                            —our ability to perform up to our physiological potential in a race is determined by whether or not we truly psychologically believe that what we are attempting is realistic. Anton Krupicka

                              The reason why beginner threads are the only ones that ever produce any decent running talk is that this sport really is that simple and anyone who's been at it a while with any real gusto already has that figured out.

                               

                              Worth quoting.


                              Prince of Fatness

                                 

                                Heh.

                                 

                                 

                                I see what you did there, asshole.

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