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I only mention it b/c I know that L Train plans on losing some weight after vacation. So there you have it Lance... Nads says you should run less. I think you should eat more.
I only mention it b/c I know that L Train plans on losing some weight after vacation.
So there you have it Lance... Nads says you should run less. I think you should eat more.
Sorry man. Down 5 now with 13 to go. Vacation will set me back but this little experiment over the past few weeks confirms I can make progress. All it takes is some OCD manipulation and some self-talk that this will be temporary.
MTA: and if you've got something to say then fucking register already.
You suck. You should just quit. Jackass. Welcome back.
Oh, come on now.
I'm on my 76th glass of water so piss off.
Literally.
"run" "to" "eat"
There's a lot of good stuff in this thread today, but this just jumped right off the screen at me. This is exactly it for me, what I struggle with more than anything. Finding that perfect balance point. I usually get it wrong, but I keep trying.
good luck...
i find the sunshine beckons me to open up the gate and dream and dream ~~robbie williams
Was going to PM Nads and Candice on this, but fuck it, maybe it's good for somebody but me. I've noticed that you both (among many others, I'm sure) run your easy runs way faster than me. Granted, you are both faster than I am, but not by as much as the disaparity in pace on easy runs. Since I know you both have coaches, I'm wondering whether or not this is a conscious effort, or if it just occured naturally. I've always believed the whole easy means easy and it's all about prepping for the workout definition. But I'm wondering if that has changed since I have 3+ years of base behind me. Are the rules different now and would I be better served by keeping more of my easy runs on the harder side of easy? If so, what benefit am I hoping to gain? I know that my relative geezerdom probably plays a role also. Thanks.
Was going to PM Nads and Candice on this, but fuck it, maybe it's good for somebody but me.
I've noticed that you both (among many others, I'm sure) run your easy runs way faster than me. Granted, you are both faster than I am, but not by as much as the disaparity in pace on easy runs. Since I know you both have coaches, I'm wondering whether or not this is a conscious effort, or if it just occured naturally.
I've always believed the whole easy means easy and it's all about prepping for the workout definition. But I'm wondering if that has changed since I have 3+ years of base behind me. Are the rules different now and would I be better served by keeping more of my easy runs on the harder side of easy? If so, what benefit am I hoping to gain?
I know that my relative geezerdom probably plays a role also. Thanks.
Really? After all this time you're questioning whether the key to success might be running your easy days faster?
C'mon man!
Runners run.
Damn it to fuck.
and my new favourite swear word to keep me from cursing in front of my children:
TITS!
The next few months are gonna be very interesting.
I put it under there.
I just saw this, sorry. I haven't read any of the responses...but since it mentioned me I thought i'd respond.
Luke gives me a pace range. I can run as slow as 8min/mi, if I want....or as fast as 7:20min/mi on easy days. I don't often (7:20 or 8, that is. I generally fall in the 7:40's). It was something that after I was given a pace range I just did it. Before that, I purposely tried to slow myself on runs because I thought I was running too hard. I wasn't. I sorta just go out and run what feels right. If it feels too hard, I slow down. I don't really worry about it. You should probably know by now what FEELS too fast or too slow...you don't have a good sense of that?
I've PRd a lot running like this. Not by big chunks, but i'm probably past my big chunk phase anyhow.
How do you keep your feet on the ground, when you know you were born to fly?
break'n three
Fast is better than long
but i'm probably past my big chunk phase anyhow.
Are we moving on from logs () to chunks ( now, I think this is ick too
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What in the Jehu?
Frank Shorter on his approach to managing the effort of training.
The Logic of Long Distance
I can't recall my body ever telling me to run more. That's my brain's job.
I wouldn't compare your log to mine right now. I'm not really running what i'm supposed to be lately (not enough that is) because i'm still trying to get used to my less than ideal schedule. So i've been really slacking...I only get like 6 hours of sleep at the most lately so I figure i'm doing more harm than good on days when the thought of running gives me serious anxiety.
As you mentioned geezerdom, among the faster older crowd the consensus is in the other direction ... there are folks who go extremely slow always, like Francis Burdette who I mentioned, or those who crosstrain with swim, bike and water running instead of easy-paced running days to make the effort much kinder on their older legs. They limit their running just to high quality workouts because even with easy running they don't think they are getting adequate recovery.
The process is the goal.
Men heap together the mistakes of their lives, and create a monster they call Destiny.
Where does your brain get its information? From your body, or from Candice and Nader's log?
I guess I've generally done what I sense a lot of people do. First, get a sense of what some of the key factors are in getting better. Clearly the low hanging fruit for most of us is run more easy miles. Then when you have your base, build your tempos and speedwork or whatnot, race more often and learn how to peak for races.
After a while you take a look around and see some of the people that are sort of in your general area, but maybe a bit better than you (or who have progressed further) and say "what are they doing or what have they done that I'm not doing or that I did not do? Can I learn from what they are doing and maybe add something I'm missing?" Granted, we're all an experiment of one and all.
But as far as body over brain, if I consistently listened to my body, I'd consistently be sedentary. I think that's why I'm log-centric and so desperately hold onto goal races and training plans and the like. It's also why I have these little "rivalries" with other people, even if it's all just in my little head. I need that thing for my brain to grab onto as to the reason to tell my body to do what I want it to do. The day I'm done training for something is probably the beginning of the end of running for me. I doubt I'm all that unusual, particularly among those who were not runners early in life. I've discussed this before, so my apologies to those who have heard it.
Candice, I don't compare my log to yours, that's silly. You are in a different place than me, and that's good for you. But I do look at it, because there's a lot of good stuff in there, especially when you are actually in training. It just struck me over the last several weeks how both you and Nads were running lots of easy miles that I would call almost tempo, and I wondered whether it was a conscious choice or not. .
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