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    Mike, congrats on the 700 and barring any unfortunate injury no one is going to catch Jeff. Steve
    Dude. Are you trying to jinx me? Wink Congrats to all on your respective progress. I don't know, Mike, the mileage contest seems to be working fairly well. I have really missed the team aspect of running since college, and this group gives me the kind of accountability that gets me out the door. Now, if I can just ward off the injury gods for one more week. An item for the group to consider. I ran my first 100 mile week in $40 asics racing flats. I don't even know the name of the shoe--itt's gold and has "Japan" written on the side. My achilles had been bothering me a bit, so I switched from my $110 trainers because the flats were looser around my tendon. My legs feel great. I'm beginning to think there's something to the minimalist movement...


    Wasatch Speedgoat

      Well, to be honest my trails are really dirt roads, so they are pretty quick running. What slows me down is i have to get down to and back up out of the canyon (where the good road is) on a steep, sandy switchback trail which is unrunnable, so I power walk back up. It's mainly my running 100 mile trail runs that have slowed me down. I ran 27 marathons before I switched to trails and ultras due to knees beat up from racing roads for 20+ years. I ran NYC in '78, '79 and 82 and still have the cool trays they gave you as a finishing award. Ran Montreal once and many local Boston area marathons. Foxboro, Boston Peace Marathon, Silver Lake Dodge marathon, Cape Cod Marathon and the one that was the toughest was the City of Presidents marathon in Quincy, Ma. in I think 1980. It was in the 80's, 2 loops, hilly and I think i ran about a 2:52 and STILL don't think I finished in the top ten in a small field. Those were the days....back when it seemed everyone ran fast! Now that my knees are doing better thanks mostly to better shoes available these days, I want to run marathons again...we'll see what comes of it. Your mother might "wog" but that is still very good mileage...good for her!
      Life is short, play hard!
        An item for the group to consider. I ran my first 100 mile week in $40 asics racing flats. I don't even know the name of the shoe--itt's gold and has "Japan" written on the side. My achilles had been bothering me a bit, so I switched from my $110 trainers because the flats were looser around my tendon. My legs feel great. I'm beginning to think there's something to the minimalist movement...
        I'm a believer. I used to train in flats almost exclusively in 2004 even when I ran 80 mile weeks. I've been gradually trying to get my legs used to that again. I did Sunday's run in a 4 year old pair of retired nike flats.

        Runners run.


        Wasatch Speedgoat

          I don't wish injury on ANYONE in the 2000 mile race Evil grin On the minimalist note, my first pair fo running shoes were Brooks Villianova's (mid 70's) which had hardly any cushioning. I think the heel lift was 1/8 of an inch...you learned to run softly. My next pair were Asics Montreal II's, which were very similar. Low heel, minimalist...then they started to cushion shoes and put posts in them and my knees messed up bad (patella tendinitis). In ultrarunning there's a big minimalist movement. People are starting to run in Inov-8 shoes, which are low, harder and no motion control devices. If the shoes are lower, as in your flats, they don't need motion control because you're not a mile off the ground! Some are even starting to run barefoot and injuries that were there for years are beginning to disappear. Shoes help, but they are also the cause of injuries. When i ran my fast marathons, they were all run in Nike Mariah's which were a minimalist shoe. Incredible that you ran 100+ mile week in flats.
          Life is short, play hard!
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          CPT Curmudgeon

            I think the real issue with shoes causing injuries is mainly due to people wearing the wrong kind, or wearing a shoe that has broken down. The first is fairly self-explanatory. I would also lump people who start running in cross-trainers or basketball shoes in that group, too. The second one.....As a shoe starts to break down, it can do so unevenly, and I think that this can cause injuries, in some people. On a weird note unrelated to shoes: A coworker of mine developed a hp injury from running on the track. Since she was doing like 6 miles at a shot, all in the same direction, every time, she developed an issue. That was a new one to me.


            You'll ruin your knees!

              On a weird note unrelated to shoes: A coworker of mine developed a hp injury from running on the track. Since she was doing like 6 miles at a shot, all in the same direction, every time, she developed an issue. That was a new one to me.
              In the timed races (24, 48, 72 hour) that are held on tracks, they reverse direction every hour or so to avoid just that! Constantly turning the same direction puts more pressure on one side than the other...feels good to go the other way! Lynn B

              ""...the truth that someday, you will go for your last run. But not today—today you got to run." - Matt Crownover (after Western States)

              muse_runner


              keep running.

                Interesting topic about minimalist shoes. I down graded myself recently and love the difference. It's not a huge downgrade but it is a down grade. The other shoe felt heavier. I wear Puma's for stylish every day shoes. let's see here.... kind of like this but not in pink. anyhow they are like wearing those old skater shoes. i always wonder what it would be like to run in them and I'd think it would feel awful.
                running until I hit 1900 miles for the year. whether fast or slow I will just run.
                  Are those really an old running shoe model, or are they based off of a wrestling shoe? Any of you old-timers run in something like those Pumas?
                    I have a pair of bright purple Nike frees, with a neon green swoosh. As minimalist as can be. They are a size too small however so I don't wear them very often. But they feel good when I do.


                    Wasatch Speedgoat

                      Are those really an old running shoe model, or are they based off of a wrestling shoe? Any of you old-timers run in something like those Pumas?
                      I'm one of the old timers and I've never had a pair of Puma's on my feet. For years wore Onitsuka Tiger running shoes, which then became Asics. I now wear Asics on the roads and Brooks on the trails. Probably the most minimalist shoe I've ever worn training were the old Tiger Montreal's in the late 70's. Not much cushion under the heel at all. They were blue nylon with a green Tiger stripe logo on the sides. They were the hot shoes to wear then because those are what Bill Rodgers trained in.
                      Life is short, play hard!


                      You'll ruin your knees!

                        Are those really an old running shoe model, or are they based off of a wrestling shoe? Any of you old-timers run in something like those Pumas?
                        Seems like some of the old track spikes looked a little like that (pumaish)...'cept red w/white stripe...we were the Arkansas High Razorbacks, same colors as the U of Ark.

                        ""...the truth that someday, you will go for your last run. But not today—today you got to run." - Matt Crownover (after Western States)

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