I drop a "Great googly moogly" in casual conversation from time to time ever since that add ran.
HAHAHAHAHA
Charlie Weis cleans out his desk ...
I think its tough to project who was the better QB because I am a big believer in you are what the system you play in makes you. And the way the Colts play\draft is all directed towards a powerful offense and make shift defense.
7 of their last 10 1st round picks all went to skill position offense
Peyton Manning
Edgerrin James
Reggie Wayne
Dallas Clark
Joseph Addai
Anothony Gonzalez
Donald Brown
I believe the "Colts way" if you will is keep the offense stockpiled with stars at the expense of the defense. I'm sure if you look at their salary cap breakdown it would be much the same big money to offense less (although Freeny and Sanders) to defense. They always seem to have these no-name DT's from lousiana-lafayette DII.
So the question is if Manning was not on that team or in that system and maybe a more conventional system of protect the ball, play defense, does Manning still get the love as this incredible one of a kind QB whos so cerebral that his head is literally swollen trying to keep his brain in...I think not.
I've seen this analysis before, but it doesn't add up. A good defense also provides more opportunities for the offense. It keeps the offense on the field, allows for more conservative, consistent play calling, etc.
Not to mention analyzing the priority of defense vs. offense based the number of first round picks or "stars" is a stretch, for sure. Maybe the Colts prefer to develop raw defensive players that they select in later rounds.
I like what Mikey said, and the end of your post confirms that you are subject to this same way of thinking. Folks don't like Manning (or like him) because it looks like he's trying too hard. He's anxious, cerebral, he's got the "Manning face." To me all this stuff humanizes him. To others, it's not want they want when they watch football.
In the fight between you and the world, back the world. --Kafka The Logic of Long Distance
true. and if Joe Montana had been drafted by some team other then the first team to use the west coast style offense would he have been as good? almost certainly not.
did you know file... in Montana's rookie season with the 49'ers the leading rusher on the team was aquitted/convicted killer O.J. Simpson. True dat.
MTA: response was to kmark
2012 goal = 4:59 for 1,500 meters. (before then just get healthy)
I guess part of my point was that with a crappier defense you are more apt as a team to be involved in shootouts and thus pass more, take more chances. But your point is made, with a inferior defense you would be getting less oppourtunities with the ball. I guess it works both ways.
There are plenty of what if scenarios but one of my favourites is what if Manning had been drafted by Cowher in Pittsburgh with the run on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down type philosphy. Does Cowher change the system\game plans because he sees hes got something special in Manning or is Manning held back and never becomes the player he is now. Pointless but interesting to think about.
This is what makes football such a great sport. As in politics, we get to project all of our ideological preferences onto its complex pallet and then argue about it.
Is it the individual or the system?
Is it brains or instinct?
Talent or hard work?
Athletes or scheming?
Intelligence or brutality?
Trickery or smash-mouth football?
Small market or big market?
Stars or no names?
Offense or defense?
Stats or intangibles?
Offensive line or running back?
Overdogs or underdogs?
Interpreting how victory was achieved gives us a chance to plug our own values and in a certain sense create our self-conceptions. Football is philosophy. (See what I just did?)
mr train you are a pain, your words - they make me go insane
they strike my ever-thinking brain like little drops of acid rain
oh, to my life you are a bane; crazy, mixed up, mr train - r2e
Prince of Fatness
There is a long dark road ahead of me.
Was it all a dream?
The one that got me as a former Raiders fan was the 2002 AFC Championship game and the infamous "tuck rule." I still haven't recovered from that.
By former Raiders fan, you mean a current Woodson fan, right?
MVP... MVP... MVP
I'm in the business of misery...
By former Raiders fan, you mean a current Woodson fan, right? MVP... MVP... MVP
Hells yeah. That guy is a monster. I had forgotten that he caused that game winning fumble incomplete pass back in the day.
This is what makes football such a great sport. As in politics, we get to project all of our ideological preferences onto its complex pallet and then argue about it. Is it the individual or the system? Is it brains or instinct? Talent or hard work? Athletes or scheming? Intelligence or brutality? Trickery or smash-mouth football? Small market or big market? Stars or no names? Offense or defense? Stats or intangibles? Offensive line or running back? Overdogs or underdogs? Interpreting how victory was achieved gives us a chance to plug our own values and in a certain sense create our self-conceptions. Football is philosophy. (See what I just did?)
Nice.
You know, at first when I read "Gag me," I thought you were, as an existentialist, mocking the whole idea of cheering or rooting for complete strangers, simply because they wear the uniform of a corporation one has arbitrarily chosen to support.
As it turns out, it seems that you just don't like baseball.
If we don’t try we’ll never know. At least I can find out how good I can be. I can have an answer at the end of the days, and have a hell of a good time with the process. -Desi Davila
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