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MLB 2010 (Read 998 times)

    Soriano open to batting leadoff again; Lou says no way

     

    If they don't do the job like I didn't do the job last year, maybe they put me back batting leadoff, if I feel good.

    My worst nightmare.  This entire city would go batshit crazy if he was ever put in the leadoff spot again.  Ever.  Except the bleacher section.  They wouldn't notice.

    I find it cute, the way the Cubbies like to shuffle around their little playing cards in all different orientations.

     

    If we don’t try we’ll never know. At least I can find out how good I can be.  I can have an answer at the end of the days, and have a hell of a good time with the process. -Desi Davila

       

      For real.

      Ok for base sake, I don't know if he juiced or not as I don't know him and have never been around him. I work in a world of conjecture based on the fact that I don't play baseball for a living. That being said, recent events in the sport sure have tainted my perspective plus it was a nice little tweak/troll play.

       

      What I see is a guy who's output is average at best in Min looking at his last year prior to coming to Boston. He hit 20 and sluggin % was 500. The year he gets to Boston things start to pick up and accelerate from there. Now he's a lefty which means he has the longer draw in fenway vs. hitting in the homer dome where balls go out just slightly more often than in Yankee Shack. This is with known juicer Manny in the locker room. Last two two years production was down. 1 year for the injury and '09 after being popped on the "List".

       

      Lets put it this way, circumstantial evidence looks pretty bleak. I hope he didn't but why did his production improve at those levels and that fast when it wasn't indicative of previous years? Why do you think he didn't based on the facts and figures?


      "He conquers who endures" - Persius
      "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel

        This player played 7 full seasons (unlike Ortiz) hitting more than 19 homers only one year.  Then he had 4 years bin a row hitting 26 or more, topping out at 40.  Was he a steroid user? 

         

        I get tired of all of this, but if we're going to cast stones...

         

         

        Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
        1981 21 PHI NL 13 6 6 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .167 .167 .167 .333 -6 1 0 0 0 0 0 /64
        1982 22 CHC NL 156 687 635 103 172 33 5 7 54 32 12 36 90 .271 .312 .372 .683 90 236 7 4 7 5 3 *54 RoY-6
        1983 23 CHC NL 158 699 633 94 165 25 4 8 48 37 11 51 79 .261 .316 .351 .667 82 222 8 3 7 5 3 *4/6 GG
        1984 24 CHC NL 156 700 636 114 200 36 19 19 84 32 7 52 101 .314 .367 .520 .887 140 331 7 3 5 4 3 *4 AS,MVP-1,GG,SS
        1985 25 CHC NL 153 673 609 113 186 31 6 26 83 54 11 57 97 .305 .364 .504 .868 132 307 10 1 2 4 5 *4/6 AS,MVP-13,GG,SS
        1986 26 CHC NL 154 682 627 68 178 28 5 14 76 34 11 46 79 .284 .330 .411 .741 98 258 11 0 3 6 6 *4 AS,GG
        1987 27 CHC NL 132 587 523 81 154 25 2 16 59 21 2 59 79 .294 .367 .442 .809 111 231 11 2 1 2 4 *4 AS,GG
        1988 28 CHC NL 155 679 618 77 163 23 8 19 69 25 10 54 91 .264 .322 .419 .741 108 259 14 1 1 5 3 *4 AS,GG,SS
        1989 29 CHC NL 157 672 606 104 176 25 5 30 76 15 5 59 85 .290 .356 .497 .853 134 301 9 4 1 2 8 *4 AS,MVP-4,GG,SS
        1990 30 CHC NL 155 675 615 116 188 30 3 40 100 25 7 50 84 .306 .354 .559 .913 140 344 8 1 0 9 8 *4 AS,MVP-4,GG,SS
        1991 31 CHC NL 158 684 585 104 170 32 2 26 100 22 8 87 89 .291 .379 .485 .865 138 284 9 2 1 9 4 *4 AS,MVP-17,GG,SS
        1992 32 CHC NL 158 687 612 100 186 32 8 26 87 17 6 68 73 .304 .371 .510 .881 146 312 13 1 0 6 4 *4 AS,MVP-12,SS
        1993 33 CHC NL 117 503 456 67 141 20 0 9 45 9 2 37 62 .309 .359 .412 .772 108 188 12 2 2 6 1 *4 AS
        1994 34 CHC NL 57 247 223 36 53 9 5 5 24 2 3 23 40 .238 .312 .390 .702 83 87 6 1 0 0 0 4
        1996 36 CHC NL 150 621 554 85 135 28 4 25 92 12 8 54 116 .244 .316 .444 .760 96 246 9 7 1 5 4 *4
        1997 37 CHC NL 135 480 447 54 118 26 0 12 64 7 4 28 94 .264 .308 .403 .711 83 180 5 2 0 3 3 *4/D
         

         

         

        mr train you are a pain, your words - they make me go insane

        they strike my ever-thinking brain like little drops of acid rain

        oh, to my life you are a bane; crazy, mixed up, mr train - r2e

         

          Gee let me guess without googling the stats (no Cubs fan would need to) you would be referring to Ryan Sandberg. You are mixing apples and oranges. BTW - did Sanberg get popped for PEs or did I miss something.

           

          I'm sorry that the implication of juice is on Ortiz. I really wish it were not. As a baseball fan I really like what he brings in terms of enthusiasm, fun and play. But it doesn't look good for him in an era where lots of guys took short-cuts. I know you have to defend your heros and guys on your team but you can't honestly come here and say you don't have some doubt or question. If that's the case, conversation is over as you are in fantasyland.  Hey Cubs fans have to deal with Sosa and his juice and corks and what not. You're group isn't lilly white and you need to deal with it.

           

          Hopefully baseball is past this crap but I bet something will replace PEs for the next generation as PEs replaced Speed and amphetamines from the 70s and 80s.


          "He conquers who endures" - Persius
          "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel

            By the way, I took silver in sword fighting, gold in speed skating and was inexplicably medal-less in bowling after running into a buzzsaw receptionist in the semis. 

             

            This was your Wii Office Olympics update.

            "Good-looking people have no spine. Their art never lasts. They get the girls, but we're smarter." - Lester Bangs

              By the way, I took silver in sword fighting, gold in speed skating and was inexplicably medal-less in bowling after running into a buzzsaw receptionist in the semis. 

               

              This was your Wii Office Olympics update.

               

              Wow, Office Olympics ran for two whole weeks?  And in the middle of tax season too?

              Amy

                Ok for base sake, I don't know if he juiced or not as I don't know him and have never been around him. I work in a world of conjecture based on the fact that I don't play baseball for a living. That being said, recent events in the sport sure have tainted my perspective plus it was a nice little tweak/troll play.

                 

                What I see is a guy who's output is average at best in Min looking at his last year prior to coming to Boston. He hit 20 and sluggin % was 500. The year he gets to Boston things start to pick up and accelerate from there. Now he's a lefty which means he has the longer draw in fenway vs. hitting in the homer dome where balls go out just slightly more often than in Yankee Shack. This is with known juicer Manny in the locker room. Last two two years production was down. 1 year for the injury and '09 after being popped on the "List".

                 

                Lets put it this way, circumstantial evidence looks pretty bleak. I hope he didn't but why did his production improve at those levels and that fast when it wasn't indicative of previous years? Why do you think he didn't based on the facts and figures?

                 

                I wouldn't be surprised if he juiced at all.  Shit it seems like everyone is or was.  But his career stats aren't evidence of anything.

                 

                He got better because he suddenly started playing every day.  And he suddenly played 82 games in Fenway.  And he had Manny Ramirez hitting behind him.  And the Sox actually wanted him to hit for power.  And a bunch of other stuff.  He got better because young players tend to get better the more they play.  And then he sucked the last 2 years he was coming off wrist and 2 knee surgeries.

                  I don't agree. The stats are where you start and his indicate improvement beyond past years. Him getting called out on the list was the icing on that shit pie. If this was a 5k guy who ran 15s to 13 in the span of a year with only minimal change in time on the road, you would look at this with a suspicious eye.

                   

                  Hitting in front of Manny certainly helps and I don't have the time nor inclination to go look up other stats as its late and frankly neither of us will change the other's mind. His dramatic change in output coupled with the other items are what point in a certain direction. Like I said, I realy hope he didn't but in this day and age in baseball - guilty until proven innocent. I'll give you the injury thing. Lets see how he does this year if healthy.


                  "He conquers who endures" - Persius
                  "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel
                    The biggest difference from MN to BOS is games played and at bats.  But whatever.  I don't care anymore.
                      My enjoyment of this thread will be in direct, inverse proportion to how much we talk about salaries and juice.  But, hey, when the Mets take it to October, I might not give a flying flock what we talk about here. 

                      If we don’t try we’ll never know. At least I can find out how good I can be.  I can have an answer at the end of the days, and have a hell of a good time with the process. -Desi Davila

                         But, hey, when the Mets take it in the shorts from the Philly's in September October, I might not give a flying flock what we talk about here as I will be once again crying in my beer wondering why Minaya and Wilpon are still in baseball. 

                         fify


                        "He conquers who endures" - Persius
                        "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel

                           

                          Wow, Office Olympics ran for two whole weeks?  And in the middle of tax season too?

                           

                           

                          I'm not your grandfather's accountant.

                          "Good-looking people have no spine. Their art never lasts. They get the girls, but we're smarter." - Lester Bangs


                          Riot: Act VIII - Reboot

                            My enjoyment of this thread will be in direct, inverse proportion to how much we talk about salaries and juice.  But, hey, when the Mets take it to October, I might not give a flying flock what we talk about here. 

                             

                            You think the whole team will show up for a charity golf outing?

                              AL East - New York Yankees

                              AL Central - Chicago White Sox

                              AL West - Texas Rangers

                              AL Wild Card - Boston Red Sox

                               

                              NL East - Atlanta Braves

                              NL Central - Chicago Cubs

                              NL West - Los Angeles Dodgers

                              NL Wild Card - Philadelphia Phillies

                               

                              World Series:  New York Yankees over Atlanta Braves

                               

                              Opening Day should be a National Holiday and we should get rid of Columbus Day because (1) he didn't really discover anything and (2) he was not a very nice person.  We all know baseball is America's most popular sport based on attendance (how else can you judge something?) so it makes perfect sense to me.

                               

                              PLAY BALL!!

                               

                              On another topic, Wayne Rooney out two-to-four weeks with an ankle sprain.  I sure hope this doesn't impact his performance in June but England are sure stockpiling the excuses.

                              "Good-looking people have no spine. Their art never lasts. They get the girls, but we're smarter." - Lester Bangs

                                Interesting predictions.  I do think that the Yankees will come undone and that the Sox will take the AL East. 

                                 

                                Until Reyes' health is established, the Mets will be shaky (cause everyone was wondering about the Mets). 

                                If we don’t try we’ll never know. At least I can find out how good I can be.  I can have an answer at the end of the days, and have a hell of a good time with the process. -Desi Davila