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RR - Martian Marathon (Dearborn, MI), 4/12/14 (Read 84 times)

    Summary: these things suck, why do people keep doing them?

     

    Background:

    This was my 3rd marathon. My previous two:

    - Oct 2012, Grand Rapids - 4:16, 16 min pos split

    - Jun 2013, Ann Arbor - 4:06, 6 min pos split

    After Ann Arbor, I signed up for the Detroit Marathon in October, ready to jump back into another training cycle. The running gods had other ideas; I struggled with an injury throughout most of the summer & fall, and had to DNS Detroit. Fortunately, things seemed to heal up, and late fall I started building mileage back up. (Just in time for this lovely winter we had!)

     

    Training:

    No formal plan (they scare me a little). I figured the best thing I could do anyway is build up a decent mileage base. I never had what would be considered marathon-capable weekly mileage; for my last race I was mostly in the 40's with 4 weeks of ~50 at the end. However since the beginning of this year I had 5 weeks of ~55 followed by 7 weeks of 60+.

    Also I had never done any kind of speed work in the past; in the last couple months I added a weekly tempo run and a weekly GMP run, to at least get some variety in there.

    Despite not really knowing what I was doing, I felt pretty good about my dedication to my non-plan. I was running 6 days/wk (also new for me), and had zero URD's since the beginning of the year. And I will not belabor the winter weather situation because everyone is sick of hearing about it. Suffice to say I developed an uneasy friendship with the treadmill. A lot of 5:00 mornings getting on that thing just staring at it, working up the courage to press the button.

    Taper could not have come at a better time. I was really starting to feel the wear & tear of the high (for me) mileage. Things were getting tweaked that I was just hoping would not turn into injuries, and hoping would not affect the race.

     

    Goal:

    One issue for me is having no good idea of my target paces, because I don't have a lot of race data to go on. I have never done any 5k's or 10k's. My two most recent races were a 1:48 HM (at the Martian last year) and the 4:06 in AA; these do not really correlate, as AA was a tougher course, and I was not really trained for the endurance. They were also before my injury layoff & on completely different training. Anyway, I used the 1:48 HM as a rough basis to set training paces for tempo & GMP.

    So, in my head for the race was:

    - goal of 3:50

    - figured even if I fell apart I could get my first sub-4

    - hoping for closer to even splits, with stronger finish.

     

    Race:

    Beautiful weather; chilly 42 at the start, warming up to ~60 by the end. Used the repurposed tube sock arm warmer technique as well as throwaway gloves for the first time, which were ditched after a few miles. No lines at the pre-race port-o-potties! Benefit of the marathon starting earlier than the other races. Decided to shoot for a 8:40-8:45 pace, and see how well I could hold it.

     

    Miles 1-14

    8:54, 8:43, 8:42, 8:58, 8:36, 8:47, 8:51, 8:45, 8:41, 8:44, 8:50, 8:46, 8:50, 8:46

    Mostly a bit on the slower side than planned, but it felt right & I was reluctant to push it. Race clock at 13.1 was 1:55, so right on pace for 3:50.

     

    Miles 15-22

    8:55, 8:55, 8:53, 8:47, 8:46, 8:46, 8:35, 8:47

    Last race, ~16 was where I really started to feel the fatigue & slowed down. This time I was getting a little fatigued, but still felt in control. Started to slow down a bit at 15, but able to pick it back up.

     

    Miles 23-26

    9:06, 9:10, 9:18, 9:03

    Hanging on for dear life. At about 22, I hit the part where every fiber of my being is screaming at me to stop. It was miserable, no more or less so than my last race, but at least somewhat shorter duration. (Last race I hit that point at ~18.) Stopped looking at my watch, just focused on keeping moving & getting to the next mile marker. It felt like I was slowing down a lot more than I actually was. Garmin had the final 0.37 after 26 at 7:59, so I guess I had a little something in reserve once the finish line was in sight.

     

    Final time: 3:52, 2 min positive split, 14 min PR.

    Did not get the 3:50, but comfortably sub-4. Reduced positive split; did not feel like a strong finish, but better. I certainly feel like I gave everything I had. No problems due to injuries, just fatigue. Doing these gives me even more appreciation of all the folks here who have done a lot of marathons, sustained high mileage training, and who routinely knock out BQ's. (I only need to cut off 27 minutes! But a new AG next year, so make that 22!)

     

    What's Next?

    Well right now I am pretty sore, and not thinking about a lot of running right away. So first I need to recover. But there are a few races in the next couple months I had been thinking about, mainly because they are within a few miles from my house. Finally try a 10k?

    I am looking at Detroit Marathon in October. Thinking I should probably try a formal plan for that. Not sure how well my body (& mind) are equipped to handle the continued rigors of marathon training, it really started to wear on me by the end of this cycle. I always figured it was reasonable to do two a year, but remains to be seen whether I am cut out for that. The higher mileage training was certainly behind the improvement, but it was really over a short period of time. So I am hoping to see if I can continue to sustain that over a longer period of time, and see what comes out of it.

     

    Thank you notes: (apologies to Jimmy Fallon)

    - Thank you to the treadmill, I couldn't have done it without you, you heartless bastard.

    - Thank you to Winter 2013-14. Why? Because screw you, that's why.

    - Thank you to all my RA forum peeps, for all the support, advice and mainly the NRR time-wasters.

    - Mostly thank you to MrsP, for putting up with all this foolishness, and even getting up at the buttcrack of dawn to drive me to the race, although this is mainly because she still doesn't trust me to be coherent enough to drive myself home afterwards.

     

    Pics:

    Double-FE! Finally met a couple of my Motown-area forum brethren.

     

    With LRB at the expo. Both apparently oblivious to the pain we would be experiencing the next day. And that LRB would be completely destroying his 5k. (Well, he probably knew that.)

     

    With MI_Tim, post-race, glad to be done. We ran the first ~19 together; neither one of us had a good idea of goal pace, so we picked the same one. It was great to have the company.

     

    Also: cool alien head finisher's medals! (sorry it's sideways, iPhone & tinypic don't always like each other)

    Dave

    MI_Tim


      Well done.  Nice to meet you in person.  I just revisited my 2009 medal, and it has come a long way since then.

      Ric-G


        congrats dave...great report too! i think having that base mileage paid off big time...a two minute positive split is close enough to even splits in my book...your training and smart pacing led to the pr...if you use a formal plan, you can tweak as necessary...i think you can use this to get even faster next time...for now, enjoy the recovery and be well! (that medal is pretty cool)

        marathon pr - 3:16

        LRB


          When in the hell did you take that picture?!  I thought I was staring at a bikini clad girl on your phone! 

          LRB


            I am looking at Detroit Marathon in October. Thinking I should probably try a formal plan for that. Not sure how well my body (& mind) are equipped to handle the continued rigors of marathon training, it really started to wear on me by the end of this cycle.

             

            You ain't seen nothing yet as a good portion of fall training occurs during the dog days of summer!  You think this one wore on you?  Just wait!

             

            Great report and perspective Dave.  It was nice to stand there for damn near an hour talking to you!  lol  As I drove away I wondered why we just didn't sit down in the chairs that were right at the stupid table we were standing at, doh!

             

            By all accounts you have to be thrilled with your result!  Is there anything you could have/would have done differently looking back?  What was your hydration/fueling strategy for this race?

             

            Those late race 9:00's were really not that bad at all considering the pace you held for 22 miles.  Great job!

            Brrrrrrr


            Uffda

              Great job Dave! Man you killed it. I think it's a lot better than you're giving yourself credit for. 2 min positive split is nothing. You've got me beat by 7 minutes. I've got my race in a month!

              - Andrew

              happylily


                Huge PR = Pure awesomeness

                 

                Congratulations, Dave! I'm very happy for you. And now that you understand how it's done, start training for that 22 minute PR. I know you have it in you. 

                PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

                        Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

                18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010

                  Thanks Tim, it was nice to have an RP for most of the race, helped make time pass more quickly at least for those first ~3 hours.

                  Thanks Ric!

                  Thanks Brrr! Based on the paces you are running in training, I'm pretty sure you will blow right by me, anxious to see your results.

                  Thanks Lily, your dedication to training has always been something that inspires me to keep working.

                   

                   

                   Is there anything you could have/would have done differently looking back?  What was your hydration/fueling strategy for this race?

                   

                  Not sure I can think of anything major I would've changed in training, other than use a formal plan. But maybe not much I could've done with this particular race in the limited time I had to train post-injury. As it was I was nervous that I was ramping up too quickly, to unprecedented mileage volumes. And as far as race strategy, I guess I picked a reasonable pace based on how it turned out, so no regrets about that. I had some fleeting thoughts going in about trying an 8:30 pace, probably good I didn't.

                   

                  As you know I have been pretty much a minimalist in terms of fuel/hydration in training. This winter I only took water & Gu on a few of my longest runs; did some up to 20 with nothing. (May need to re-think this for the summer!) Race day I had breakfast ~2hrs before the start, along with ~16 oz of water. During the race I figured it was best to take a cup of water from every aid station, and started taking both water & Gatorade late in the race. They were supposed to have 4 Gu stops, which I figured would be fine for me; I was expecting the first one at 6-7, but didn't come till 10. I would've taken one earlier, probably a good habit to bring my own like everyone else seems to. (Every other runner I asked "when is the Gu stop" offered me one of theirs. I felt too bad to accept any.) I think I ended up taking 3 of them.

                   

                  Completely unrelated note: about 1/4 way through the race, a small rock got stuck in the tread of my shoe. It was not causing any problems, except made a clicking sound with every step that drove me crazy. But no way I was going to stop to mess around with it. Stayed there till the very end.

                  Dave

                  B-Plus


                    Congrats on the PR Dave. Enjoy your victory!

                    PADRunner


                      Congrats on a great day! A rock in my shoe would annoy the hell out of me, I don't think I could keep going with out removing it.

                      StepbyStep-SH


                        Awesome no-plan, run your heart out PR! Even without a formal plan, what you did really mirrors plans like the Hal Higdon Intermediate II (or at least how I have modified it). Simple, consistent mileage can go a long way toward strengthening a marathon effort, especially in these first few years before every second of improvement gets more and more pricy.

                        I know you feel like the mileage was becoming a struggle toward the end of the cycle, but I would caution against letting it slip too far back over the summer, even if you choose not to run Detroit. It is easier in the long run to maintain a moderately high level (mid-40s to mid-50s) than to drop way back and have to rebuild again (of course that does not apply to these next two weeks!)

                        Recover well! You've earned it.

                        20,000 miles behind me, the world still to see.

                        Jack K.


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                          Excellent run, Dave! I don't know what is more impressive; the smashing of your PR or the fact that you did it with your own "plan." Give yourself some credit, you ran a hell of a race. I know what you mean about the last few miles... pure pain and torture, more mental than physical. Great, great run and very cool medal. Too bad they didn't give out those cool astronaut pens!

                          Docket_Rocket


                            Congratulations!  Well done!

                             

                            And I love the FE pictures!  Thanks for sharing.

                            Damaris

                             

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                              Thanks Damaris, PAD, B+

                              Thanks Klompus - if they did give out astronaut pens, I would not be giving it back.

                              Thanks Shari, & good advice. My main idea is to keep up the 6 days/wk, which makes it harder for the mileage to slip back too much.

                              Dave

                                Great job, Dave.

                                 

                                Glad you were able to run such a strong race, knowing how much this awful winter messed with your training.

                                 

                                Cool pics, MI_Tim looks nothing like his avatar, lol.

                                 

                                Bask in it for a few days and don't worry about the next training cycle just yet.  Smile

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