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Magill on Mistakes (Part 1) (Read 451 times)

MrNamtor


     

    Mistake #3 - Neglecting speed.  If you skip speed workouts, here's what happens.  a) Intermediate and fast twitch muscles atrophy; b) neuromuscular recruitment and efficiency declines; c) lactate accumulation at high intensity increases; d) muscle buffering capacity decreases.  Magill tried a summer of running in which he ran over 100 miles every week at 6:00 per mile or faster.  Instead of getting better, his mile time slowed from 4:10 to 4:50.  

     

    The fix - You don't have to do formal speed work.  Do some form drills and strides.  Do some fartleks.  Do some modest tempo runs.  Whether you want to be a speed demon or not, incorporate some speed into your workouts occasionally.  

     

    Is this right? It say's "Neglecting speed" but the example of the mistake is Magill running 100 mpw at 6 m/m or faster. Isn't that doing excessive speed work? Or am i not reading this correctly?

      Is this right? It say's "Neglecting speed" but the example of the mistake is Magill running 100 mpw at 6 m/m or faster. Isn't that doing excessive speed work? Or am i not reading this correctly?

       

      Magill is a sub-15 5K guy at 50 years of age.

       

      6 m/m isn't speed work for him.

       

      MTA:  I believe he was 49 when he ran the 14:45. He ran a 15:11 this year as a 50 year old.

       

       

       

      MrNamtor


        Magill is a sub-15 5K guy at 50 years of age.

         

        6 m/m isn't speed work for him.

         what confused me is the "or faster". If it had said "or slower" it would have been clearer.

         

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           what confused me is the "or faster". If it had said "or slower" it would have been clearer.

           

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          Yeah, I just re-read that part.

           

           

           

          kbrks


            Good good stuff. Can we get part 2 plz
            MrNamtor


              Good good stuff. Can we get part 2 plz

               there's never a part 2 to stuff like this. Ever notice that?

              Love the Half


                I'll have Part 2 this evening.  I meant to post last night but didn't have time.  

                 

                I think what Magill was talking about was that, rather than doing plenty of slow running but combining that with some really fast running, he ran a whole lot of miles at a moderate pace (6:00 or so).  It would be kind of like me going out and running all of my mileage at a 7:00-7:15 pace rather than running some stuff at a 5:20 pace as I did during "R" speed reps last night and some stuff at an 8:15-8:30 pace as I will on a recovery jog today.

                Short term goal: 17:59 5K

                Mid term goal:  2:54:59 marathon

                Long term goal: To say I've been a runner half my life.  (I started running at age 45).

                kbrks


                  I'm a fan of 1 moderate paced day per week. If you run a crapload of moderate runs then it would make it difficult to go into hard runs/intervals fresh. It is very crucial to go into your hard workouts fresh and rested.

                    I so thought that this thread would be another "LTH calls a superior runner, a dumbass-know nothing".  I am disappointed.

                    MrNamtor


                      I'm a fan of 1 moderate paced day per week. If you run a crapload of moderate runs then it would make it difficult to go into hard runs/intervals fresh. It is very crucial to go into your hard workouts fresh and rested.

                       It's funny you said this because yesterday, i was going to do some sprint intervals after an 8 mile run.  Then I remembered the whole idea of being properly conditioned for speed work and realized you should also be properly RESTED for speed work. Not that i was super tired after the run, but I wasn't fresh. So I didn't do it, and I'm going to do it today after work.

                       

                      Up till now, i would often tag speed work onto the end of my run. It will be interesting to see if i get significantly faster with a new approach.

                      MrNamtor


                        just kidding btw about the part 2. Thanks for posting this LTH.

                        kbrks


                          I'm terrible when it comes to #1. Training runs, long runs,first interval, you name it....

                            I'm currently committing #3, which is leading to #2.  Sort of.  

                             

                            My situation is that I have been trying to build my mileage up so have left out speedwork.  So I have been running whatever I feel like, which I guess tends to be medium-ish.

                            "...You have to have faith, to know that you can do what you want to do."  -Joseph Nzau

                            happylily


                              Meh... too much dissecting of everything. Running shouldn't be like engineering for people like you and myself. I know dick about methods and I race like a dumb-ass and I still get a 73% age-graded score and cross the finish line with a huge grin on my face. Why? Because I know how to challenge my body without getting it hurt. That's all. That's all I need to know. Try beating that with all your methods...

                              PRs: Boston Marathon, 3:27, April 15th 2013

                                      Cornwall Half-Marathon, 1:35, April 27th 2013

                              18 marathons, 18 BQs since 2010

                                I've been trying to get my mileage up and doing most if not all my runs as easy runs. Guess I need to change it up a little after reading this.

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