As I told you......those were my old stomping grounds......(I remember I saw Star Wars back in '77 in the southwest corner of the Cerritos parking lot way back when 2 theaters was like......A LOT!)  

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that place was all downhill after I left.    Even the RD's can't draw a straight line.

I'll take a look at the calendar & see if I can find us a good one!

Your better at marathons.  Less confusion and the Garmins are more accurate.  Give up running 5k's, too short to have fun.

BTW: Ninja's on the course scare the competition away, that may have helped.

Yep, it was short.  A 19:59 requires a 6:25 pace.  With the first mile in 6:30 and the second in 6:39, you'd have needed to to run like 6:00 just to break 20:00 in that last mile and you ran 19:03.  My first sub 19:00 was on a short course.  I didn't have a Garmin at the time but my PR was 19:58 and, out of nowhere, only a couple of months after that, I ran 18:58.  I knew damn well that was wrong because all of my training told me I might have a shot at 19:30 but there was nothing that remotely led me to believe sub 19:00 was in the cards.  Then, the folks with Garmins started telling me the course was short.

It is frustrating but you can still analyze how you ran and use that in future races.

Yep, it was short.  A 19:59 requires a 6:25 pace.  With the first mile in 6:30 and the second in 6:39, you'd have needed to to run like 6:00 just to break 20:00 in that last mile and you ran 19:03.  My first sub 19:00 was on a short course.  I didn't have a Garmin at the time but my PR was 19:58 and, out of nowhere, only a couple of months after that, I ran 18:58.  I knew damn well that was wrong because all of my training told me I might have a shot at 19:30 but there was nothing that remotely led me to believe sub 19:00 was in the cards.  Then, the folks with Garmins started telling me the course was short.

 

It is frustrating but you can still analyze how you ran and use that in future races.

Except if the garmin is cutting corners by going thru buildings, then the first mile was 1.05 and the second was 1.05, making those lap times faster than the 6:30 and 6:39.  I'd still check the course using mapmyrun or something similar.