Couch to 5K and One Hour Runners

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Weekly thread 1.13 though 1.19 (Read 285 times)

    Sorry. Starting the weekly thread a little late. And I'm getting more and more obsessed with the idea of getting a Garmin for my birthday at the beginning of March. (Modified to include my W5D1 report) Today was W5D1 for me, and it was a PUSH. Wow. And usually I do the 5 minute cooldown at 4mph (treadmill), then a minute at 3.5, a minute at 3, etc. down to a minute at 2.0. By the end of that, my heart rate according to the machine is usually in the low- to mid-120's. Well, today I couldn't seem to get my heart rate below 135, even when I walked for THREE minutes at 2 mph. I also felt a funny feeling right below the inside of my kneecap, which makes me think I was starting to run on my bones instead of my muscles. Undecided It didn't hurt, exactly, but it certainly didn't feel right, and I don't want to be developing an injury. I take it that's a sign I'm pushing too hard? My goal is to do the whole C25K without repeating weeks, but for W5D2, I think I may have to slow down my run. I've been doing the run parts at 5.4 mph, and my goal is to finish my first 5k at the end of March in under 36:00 (trying to be extra-conservative), so I'm running faster than tempo already. I have some leeway, then, in pace.

    Call me Ray (not Ishmael)

      Don't know your personal knee-history, but I find that if my knees are hurting or feeling funny that icing them right after a run and taking an extra rest day keeps things from progressing. Of course, I often forget this. Blush But when I remember, it works. Also, you may indeed be pushing the pace a bit too much. Going too fast is a great temptation. Try checking out the McMillan Running Calculator at http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/mcmillanrunningcalculator.htm. Put your goal of 36 minutes for a 5K in as if it were your race time, and see what it suggests for your "easy" runs. "Easy" pace is where you want to be at. An "easy" pace is a pace that you feel like you're doing just a little work, but not a whole lot. It's also called "conversational" because it's a pace that you should be able to hold a conversation at. For the first year or so of running, chances are pretty good that you really shouldn't be training any harder than this. (Prevent injuries!!!)

      Roads were made for journeys...

        Thanks, Wingz. That running calculator is really interesting. Of course, being the stubborn person I am, I didn't take your advice (although, in my defense, I didn't get your post until after my workout). I went into the gym today thinking I'd start out W5D2 at the same pace as usual, and just listen to my body. If my knee felt funny, or I just felt horrible again, I'd slow it down or (god forbid!) stop. Well, today felt GREAT! I mean, it was a challenge, but I got through it just fine, and my heart rate slowed even FASTER than normal! My knees were a bit sore, but I had biked to and from work (save the earth) and it's a bit chilly. They certainly didn't twinge at all. I did the whole workout at my regular speed! Maybe I'm being unwise. Okay, PROBABLY I'm being unwise. But if I feel okay, I'm going to keep on truckin'. It really seems to me like, in training, there should be a balance between listening to my body and HTFU. I'll try my best to toe the line and not get injured, but I'll also try my best to push myself out of my comfort zone. Yay for a good run today! And thanks again, Wingz, for your advice and the link. And feel free to roll your eyes at me. Wink

        Call me Ray (not Ishmael)

          Hey all, Where is everyone? New people are joining, but I'm getting a lurking vibe. Wink Tell us what you're up to! Today I finished week 5. I was so proud. Hell, I AM so proud! I ran the longest and the farthest ever without walking: a tiny bit over 21 minutes, 1.9 miles. Awesome! I'm feeling it in my shins, though, and I know that Wingz is right. I'm really playing with fire with my pace. So next week, now that I'm really doing longer runs without breaks, I'm going to slow it down and do some RICE. It was great, though, to pound that one out today. Big grin

          Call me Ray (not Ishmael)

          quagga


            Hey all--I tried to post yesterday but my internet connection ate my post!! I ran Week 9 Day 1 on Tuesday, but haven't run since. I ran outside instead of my usual treadmill run--I was running on asphalt and dirt AND also running way too fast when I checked my Garmin at the end. It was my first run with my new Garmin 205. So those two elements gave me a case of shin splints, the first lasting soreness/injury I've had since starting C25K. The soreness didn't go away till Thursday, but I was tremendously lazy on Thursday. And I've been lazy ever since. I will re-do Week 9 starting Monday Jan 21. Thanks for reading!
              So'k Quagga. I'm glad you listened to your body. You're almost done, so don't sabotage it now by pushing too hard, eh? After my great run yesterday, I caught some shin splint-itis, too. Undecided As if everyone didn't see that coming. Anyway, I got (painful!) acupuncture today. But what really made a difference was ice massage. I took just a regular cube and held it with a dish towel and rubbed hard all the way up and down my shin, and that tender spot between the knee cap and the little bone in my knee, where my acupuncturist says is the point for loosening muscles and tendons. I feel fine now! And I have another day of rest tomorrow. I'll be sure to elevate while I watch football. Smile Anyone else have stuff to report? It's been helping me to write my own reports, but I'm feeling like it's just me! Sad

              Call me Ray (not Ishmael)

                My running report for this week is blank. Blush I had an out-of-twon friend visiting Mon-Tues, then another one Wed-Fri, worked all day Sat, today (Sun), and tomorrow. Emotionally, I needed the rest. Physically, though, ugh. Sad I am working towards trying to train adequately for a trail half-marathon that's taking place in late April. To do this, I created my own evil plan. (It's always all about the "evil plan," bwah hah hah ... Evil grin ) In it, I am gradually increasing my weekly mileage... with a goal of around 20 MPW. I'm doing a long run every week... on trails since that's the surface I want to run on. The long run is gradually getting longer too. In essence, I don't think training for a half-marathon is that much different than training with the couch-to-5K program. The *volume* of running is more, but the same principles apply. 1) Increase distance too quickly and you'll get hurt. 2) Distance is more important than speed. 3) Patience patience patience. 4) You have to follow a steady, gentle progression in order to get where you want to go without hurting yourself. 5) Listen to your body - when it tells you it needs to rest, do so! Next week, I'll be running what I thought I was going to run this week. Hopefully my little break won't hurt. Janell

                Roads were made for journeys...


                My running partner!

                  sounds like i am not alone in having to take some time off. I have not run for almost two weeks now. I had a terrible ear infection which is not completely gone yet. I am hoping to start again tomorrow. I am not sure how much I will be able to do though. Good luck to eveyonw.
                  Kat
                    I wish I had followed everyone's advice and been more patient. I've been off RA for a couple days, partly because I'm embarrassed to report that it looks like I've injured myself. I'm afraid it might be a stress fracture. I'm really really bummed and embarrassed, but I'm going to FORCE myself to take a week off, do RICE, and hope the hot spots on my shin bone go away. If not, I guess I'll have to go to the doc. Cry Cry Cry

                    Call me Ray (not Ishmael)

                      What causes you to think it's a stress fracture? That's the worst-case-scenario, probably, and I'm not saying it's not, just that there are other things it could be too. Like shin-splints. Zoom-zoom's all too familiar with shin-splints, though I never had them. A week off will do you good, but only if you moderate your pace when you start back up. Yes, it feels good to run like the wind. Tough. Suck it up and run slow. Tongue You're running everything on the treadmill right now? May I suggest a speed limit of 5.0 (12 minute miles) for the next month? I picked that number based off the speeds you've run your other runs at. Remember, you're challenging your body in asking it to run longer and longer amounts of time. It's not appropriate to ask it to run both faster and longer at the same time. One or the other, not both. And longer will give you more benefit in "the long run." And remember, your pace in your 5K race *should* be faster than your training pace. You can also read that to mean that you should train slower than you intend to race. *hint* *hint* Wink Heal up, learn from this, and move on. You'll be kicking my butt again in no time. (Says she of the 4.6 treadmill pace...)

                      Roads were made for journeys...

                        I got a stress fracture in week 4 or 5 the last time I did C25K, two years ago. I actually thought it was a knee problem -- my knee hurt, and my regular doctor thought it was bursitis. Then I went to see an orthopedic surgeon a few weeks later (he was a popular guy and I couldn't get an appointment any earlier), and an MRI proved that it was actually a stress fracture in my tibia right below my knee. I had continued to follow the program as usual and it was healing on its own, so the orthopedic surgeon told me to continue with what I was doing, just to get off the sidewalk and onto the concrete. However, he said that I couldn't increase my mileage for a while (so I couldn't start the Hal Higdon program I'd planned) and he didn't let me run the 5k I'd signed up for to celebrate the end of C25K. So I finished W9D3 and stopped running altogether. That's my stress fracture story. Don't end up in my situation, obiebyke! I wish I would have spent the last two years running, rather getting fat again. I should have rested more and I shouldn't have let the injury get me down. Weekly checkin: I did W5D1 yesterday and it sucked. Terrible shin pain when I did walk intervals, but not when I ran (!). Thing is, I feel fine today. I think I'm going to take an extra day off anyway, and keep doing shin exercises.
                          Thanks, folks. Wingz, you're totally right. I'm going to bring the speed down, rest, etc. I realized I was pushing hard for this race at the end of March, but now Long Run Nick is in my mind, telling me I'm training for a lifetime of running. If I need to miss that race goal or run it more slowly than I thought in order to be healthy, that's fine! I'm worried it's a stress fracture because I get sharp pain to the touch when I press on my shin. It's weird, though-- when I press the FLAT part of my shin, no problem. It only hurts on the sharp edge at the very front. I WILL take it easy, now and when I get back to it. Thanks for not making the I-told-you-so too harsh. Blush hathorne-- Definitely take an extra day off. Still, congrats on getting through that run! I'll keep y'all updated. I might go to a running store/ orthotics place by my house and see what they think it is and if they would recommend different inserts. I have new shoes that feel good, but I'm just wearing cheap Dr. Scholls inserts without the factory sock liner, which means that I don't have much padding in the forefoot and my heel is probably higher. Dumb me!

                          Call me Ray (not Ishmael)

                          quagga


                            Whee! Week 9 Day 1 successfully repeated! Treadmill again - warmup/cooldown - 4mph @ 4% incline, 3 miles straight in 36 minutes No problems!