Peach, way to hang in there for 6. No harm in a little common sense on a bad day. MrI, which race did you watch? 11 and change for me today with the first 5 at 10 miler pace. Not sure I can hold that for a full 10. We'll see next saturday. Shoes felt pretty good. Hope your 20 went well, Kimmie. Easy miles to all...

Finished out a nice week of running for me. Ran the 1/2M course yesterday. Nice 8 at easy pace this morning. I'll have a bit of a challenge next Sunday. Had I remembered I would not have entered the 1/2. I have a watch party to attend for the Nebraska game. Mizzou hasn't beaten them in Lincoln since 1978. All signs point to a major beat down this year to be delivered by the Tigers. Last year the 1/2 was the Sunday after the Nebraska game in Columbia. The course goes past and around the stadium, through the parking lots. People were still tailgating. It looke like Detroit the morning after Halloween, minus the overturned, burning cars. This year there is a two day blues fest that ends Saturday night downtown that we will be running through the aftermath. There are over 200 entries already for the 1/2. It will be interesting to see how many blues' fest and football casulties there are Sunday morning. Bugs: Good idea on the 6 month rule. I always worry about hanging on to shoes that have been soaked alot from running in the rain. Think it hurts the cushioning, even drying them out with an electric fan. Mine always get turned over from mileage before the 6months hits. Dave: Glad the knee is better. MrI: Nice picks at Kick. Looks like Akron was a fun time.

Ended up doing 6 tonight. Got an 11:00 am call to go to the Browns/Bengals game..so kinda went screwy on the schedule. As it turns out 6 was probably the right distance for me. Ran it pretty consistently and felt about the right amount of tired. Also dug more holes and planted more bushes. I just change out my shoes when they look worn or at 500 miles. Usually they are worn way before 500 miles for me. I dont know how I wore my previous pair as long as I did. THey were so worn, I cant ebven walk in them now. My current pair was purchased in February..but do to my lack of running this year, have less than 300 miles on them.

Peach, I think it just comes down to your fitness level. On the 400/800 you're pushing hard enough that your effort is anaerobic. Basically that just means that your muscles create energy without oxygen and you can only keep that up for a certain period of time before you get out of breath and your legs may get tired. When you do long runs, you're mostly aerobic which uses the oxygen from your breathing to power your muscles. Over long periods of time, just the pounding can make your legs sore and you can get weary as your body burns through the glycogen (basically sugar) that powers your running. Good article here: http://www.doctorsexercise.com/journal/aerobic.htm

Which, the short or the long run pain? Answer is unfortunately the same. Run more. Speedwork for the shorter distances (striders and interval repeats) and piles of slow miles for the longer distances. 1:34 is an awesome 400 though.

Both...so this isnt anyting mental? I just wrote my friend, he said Its my pacing that I am not leaving enough for the end....

Even with that the answer would be the same.