I can push on my knee all day long and feel no pain, but when I run I start to feel it more in the front outer part of the knee. If I start walking, the pain goes away. Run, it comes back. The last 2 runs there's not been any pain. I have cut way back on the distance, though. 2 and 4 miles.

That sounds like ITB (though I'm not a doctor). I'm sorry you're having knee issue's !

Kim, Fargo is May 9th, Grandmas June 20th. I've never even ran two marathons in one year, so I'll really be busting out of my shell this time. You know it's not too late for you and Shan (any anyone else) to sign-up for Grandmas, still is open.

ugh so I can't do either of them... the whole needing to travel on a plane during the school year thing makes it really really tough!!! I can't take ANY personal days this year because I need them for september... stupid job inflexibility!!! Bugs you can totally do both!!! Oh and have I mentioned I've signed up for my next (date wise anyway) marathon??? March 29th!!!! I'm SOOO EXCITED!!!

Just going to throw a little more advice your way, yapper.... Do you weight train? I'm sure others here will agree with me... weight training is one of the best ways to prevent injuries. I know we have only limited time and we always want to make it all about the running, but if you can squeeze in some bare minimum exercises, it would be a huge difference. Ok, I"m off to go look pretty....

Ok, let me see if I can answer all these great responses... When I do those stretches, what do you mean by can I feel them? Do they hurt? No, they just feel like they're working. Yes, I do weight train and have been doing leg curls and extensions. I have run backwards some and it feels good. Thanks for the tip.

I did 3 miles. in a running skirt which I decided for the first time. Did not care for picking it out of my butt the whole way....very cute I think if it wasnt for that problem

Hope everyone is doing ok in these parts. It's been pretty sparse lately,so haven't had a lot of time for forums. Did 16ish today to get back over 50 for the week. Hamstring is fair to middlin, still sore until warmed up. Maybe I'll try some speed this week, it's been awhile since I've ran speed outside of a race (12/30). That is, if it doesn't snow more. We've had our 4th highest snow totals for January in Ann Arbor this month. 24.7 inches. Not a lot of snow compared to Erika or Bugs, but Ann Arbor usually gets snow, and then it melts. This year, the snow has just hung out since Jan 1. We need a week of 40s to really get this stuff to move...might be Feb 15 at this rate. Bayshore training starts in earnest this week, and the recovery for Disney comes to a close. I still don't have a training plan, other than Run often, sometimes fast, mostly slow. I still have to work on that...

Yapper, I'll add you need to do squats and lunges. The leg extensions, especially on the Nautilus (and similar) machines, teach your legs to do leg extensions. That's about it. It's not a move you normally do in daily life (or running). I've had both my orthopedic doc and a PT tell me this... Bugs, do 'em both! You're strong enough! (but I hope you're not getting sick!) Hey, did I ever tell you Lou and I had almost the same Boston finish time last year? Heheheh... It was a PR race for me, not so much for Lou. I was 3:38:48, he was 3:38: 25 (I think). This year, however, Lou is gonna be all showered and changed and wondering what takes me so long... Ok, late night post but this is the first time I'm able to get back to my computer. Hey, I hate the wind. Ran into it today and certainly wasn't expecting it. I'll deal with obnoxiously cold temps, but throw some wind in there and I'm ready to wuss out in a heartbeat! I met some headwind today at mile 7 but struggled thru it, knowing I'd turn around at mile 8.5 and have the rest of my run with it at my back! The goal of this run, if possible in the unplowed snow, was to maintain as close to MP as possible, target between 8:20 and 8:30 (to account for terrain and conditions). The point of this is because I'm usually really bad at consistent pacing. So... I think this run turned out ok. Mile Splits: Mile 1 8:30 Mile 2 8:30 Mile 3 8:30 Mile 4 8:30 Mile 5 8:28 Mile 6 8:29 (hill here) Mile 7 8:12 Mile 8 8:26 Mile 9 8:24 Mile 10 8:14 (last .1 at 8:14 pace) Temp was about -13F so not too bad, until I ran into that GD wind... I'd been in protected trails/bikepaths till then and didn't even realize it was windy! (ok, I am a wimp... it was prolly 5 mph or so, but at -13 that packs a punch!)