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"Race Report & Upcoming Races" Thread (Read 4920 times)

C-R


Aaack!

posted: 7/4/2009 at 1:28 PM

Carmelfest Freemdon Run this morning. 4.5 miles and I did not wear the Garmin so I have no HR information. Part of releasing that inner hippie. Ran a 30:23 which is a 6:46 pace. I wanted a sub 30 and it was there, but I lost focus on mile two, relaxed and dropped about 30 seconds on the mile.Hard to recover that in the last 2.5.

 

As for the feeling. I went more by breathing and managed a 2-2 the whole way. Which, by Hadd, is just around LT pace. 1-1 is flat out, no holds barred, I stole something pace and max effort.

 

Good uphill finish and I had lots left in the tank. I just need to learn how to race better.


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jimmyb


posted: 7/4/2009 at 2:17 PM
Quote from C-R on 7/4/2009 at 1:28 PM:

Carmelfest Freemdon Run this morning. 4.5 miles and I did not wear the Garmin so I have no HR information. Part of releasing that inner hippie. Ran a 30:23 which is a 6:46 pace. I wanted a sub 30 and it was there, but I lost focus on mile two, relaxed and dropped about 30 seconds on the mile.Hard to recover that in the last 2.5.

 

As for the feeling. I went more by breathing and managed a 2-2 the whole way. Which, by Hadd, is just around LT pace. 1-1 is flat out, no holds barred, I stole something pace and max effort.

 

Good uphill finish and I had lots left in the tank. I just need to learn how to race better.

 

Nice race, Norm. I agree, I think you can eek out a 28:59 at least. Do you go into the race with a pace plan?

Do you use the McMilllan Calculator or Team Oregon pace wizard as a guide? I find them to be in the ballpark. That along with prior race times can help make decent pace plans.

 

Keep going, man. You are doing awesome. You are one of our resident aerobigods these days, and hope to someday be able to hang out the Mitochondria Lounge with you guys and gals and drink coffee.

 

 

--Jimmy

C-R


Aaack!

posted: 7/4/2009 at 2:50 PM

I did have a very general plan. Wanted to run 6:25s even with a good kick at the end to break 30.I didn't use any pace calcs but that is a good idea. I will start looking at that for the next ones.

 

Ran a 6:20 first mile and fell asleep on mile 2 for a 7:05 or something goofy like that. After that I managed better pace for 3 and 4. Hitting a 20:00 at 3 and a 26:50 at 4. The 3:33 last half uphill was good but I could have pushed harder. My turnover was better on the last two miles. Overall, I never really found a rhythm.

 

Just looking at this, it seems I went out fast and could not hold it. I've been fighting a chest cold but that's no real reason not to get that extra 15 seconds per mile. I feel I'm close but that I can't get into a rhythm. As I understand it, tempo runs or good solid interval track work will help me to understand the feel and how to run faster under control. As Dr. Phil suggests, I plan on one anaerobic workout per week to help with this. I think alternating between track intervals and tempo runs every other week should help some.

 

That's one of the things I like about running races. It is a full personal lab. I'm a bit disappointed but it always gives me something else to focus efforts to see if the results will come. One thing is for certain, LHR/MAF has gotten me this far and will get me to the next level as well if I properly apply the lessons and pay attention to the feedback.

 

Thanks for the suggestions and the mitochondira lounge will be full of us LHR/MAF types.


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"Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid." - John Whayne New quote needed. Purdey found the secret

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jimmyb


posted: 7/4/2009 at 4:59 PM

I find that better performance in shorter races are mostly about increasing your mental ability to deal with discomfort. If you want to spend the true amount of gas you have for those distances, then it's going to feel pretty uncomfortable, although the feeling of grace can vary.

 

 

There's a guy in my club who is one of the better 60+ runners in the country. He says he does intervals more for mental work than gaining speed. He figures if he can learn to deal with hard intervals, it'll be easier in races.

 

I prefer to tune my head up in races during a race season.

 

 

--Jimmy


Dr. MLK,Jr brithplace

posted: 7/4/2009 at 5:01 PM

P'tree 10 k     51:34 have not check official  time.Garmin not properly set . Did not get first 3 mile splits. Tanked at miles 3 and 4. Cardiac hill and her sister (long incline). McMillan pace chart predictor  49:51. Know I would not make that time.  10k 3/8/08 time 51:07 / 8:15 easy course P'tre qualifier  P'tree 7/04/08 52:30/8:29.  Today 51:34/8:15. P'tree is 2 miles downhill 4.5 uphill .7 downhill. Finish line changed  back to a downhill.

 

AHR 169  MHR 19          All in all happy with race. Did .5 mile  dowhills repeats  on wednesday and  increased weekly mileage from 23 to 30.

 

Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
Interval 2.02 Mi 16:06.1 16:06.1 7:59 167 184  
Interval 1 Mi 7:43.96 23:50.06 7:44 162 169  
Interval 1 Mi 9:08.3 32:58.36 9:09 169 175  
Interval 1 Mi 9:03.18 42:01.54 9:04 170 178  
Interval 1 Mi 8:04.68 50:06.22 8:05 176 181  
Interval 0.24 Mi 1:27.88 51:34.10 6:07 185 190

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Max McMaffelow Esq.

posted: 7/4/2009 at 9:12 PM

Norm, Clay,

Great races, guys!! And fast!!

I don't even feel safe driving at those speeds!?

lg

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Pond View

posted: 7/5/2009 at 3:12 PM
Carmel and Clay - you both raced really well, WOW!
I can't imagine the crowd in Atlanta for the Peachtree, Clay - how did you handle the stress of the huge group? Does it energize and inspire you to see that many runners racing all at once? Did they corral you and start the runners in stages?

Carmel, I think you will learn something from doing some faster paced intervals. The body becomes more efficient running at those paces after practising for a while. You will probably figure out what kind of pace or intervals you think you need. The McMillan pace calculator is a good help. I have used Daniels Running Formula in the past to get some suggestions to specific workouts to do in preparation for a 10K or a 5K or whatever specific event you want to train for. You probably have your own favorite books/coach to go to. Good luck with this and keep us posted. 
5K, 4/28/07 24:16 PR
10K, 5/5/07 49:23 PR
1/2 M, 12/08/07 1:49:34 PR
Marathon, 12/09/06 3:57:37 BQ
50K, 10/04/2009 7:27:00 PB


Dr. MLK,Jr brithplace

posted: 7/5/2009 at 3:42 PM
modified: 7/5/2009 at 3:42 PM
Quote from flower on 7/5/2009 at 3:12 PM:
Carmel and Clay - you both raced really well, WOW!
I can't imagine the crowd in Atlanta for the Peachtree, Clay - how did you handle the stress of the huge group? Does it energize and inspire you to see that many runners racing all at once? Did they corral you and start the runners in stages?

Carmel, I think you will learn something from doing some faster paced intervals. The body becomes more efficient running at those paces after practising for a while. You will probably figure out what kind of pace or intervals you think you need. The McMillan pace calculator is a good help. I have used Daniels Running Formula in the past to get some suggestions to specific workouts to do in preparation for a 10K or a 5K or whatever specific event you want to train for. You probably have your own favorite books/coach to go to. Good luck with this and keep us posted. 

 The race goes off in  9 stages not including wheel chair division. Did not seem crowd this year. There are spectators from start to finish.

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10k <50:00


Pond View

posted: 7/5/2009 at 4:43 PM
Clay - Thanks!!  I hope you enjoyed the scene.

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Is there something wrong with this thread? For the last couple of days I have not been able to view the last posts in this thread. I had to click on the reply button before I could see my own post and Clay's response to it. Has anyone else noticed similar problems? Could it be that the thread is too long?
5K, 4/28/07 24:16 PR
10K, 5/5/07 49:23 PR
1/2 M, 12/08/07 1:49:34 PR
Marathon, 12/09/06 3:57:37 BQ
50K, 10/04/2009 7:27:00 PB
C-R


Aaack!

posted: 7/5/2009 at 11:35 PM

Jimmy - I think you are correct about the mental issue. I just need to push through.

 

Clay - good stuff at Peach. Can't imagine running with that many folks in one race especially a 10k.


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Dr. MLK,Jr brithplace

posted: 7/18/2009 at 5:28 PM
modified: 7/19/2009 at 2:48 AM

4 miler Predicted 32:36  Finish 32:26. Pace 8:07

 

1)8:50   2) 8:07   3)8:18 4) 7:36

 

2mile warm up. Arrived back at the YMCA to discover the start line was 2 blocks from the YMCA. 3 min to run to the restroom and make it to the start line. Where to  I find myself?  At the very back of the back.The race starts as I am 30 yards back. I seem never to have my Garmin set right for races.  I had it set for 1.5 mile WU and 4 mile race. It stopped at 1.5 mile WU and 2.06 mile race. Next race I will just use the training program and not set a target distance.Lucky the splits were called out .

 

Intervals (GPS Interval)
Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
Interval 1.5 Mi 12:52.67 12:52.67 8:36 163 177  
Interval 0.53 Mi 3:58.85 16:51.52 7:31 170 175  
Interval 1.01 Mi 8:10.42 25:01.94 8:06 173 182  
Interval 0.06 Mi 1:04.01 26:05.95 17:47 174 195

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10k <50:00
jimmyb


posted: 7/18/2009 at 7:06 PM

Nice race, Clay!

 

If you hold the LAP button down for about 5 seconds, it resets the watch. It stores the WU in memory and a new workout is ready to be done. After your warm-up, just reset it, and push START when the gun goes off, or you cross the starting line.

 

--Jimmy


Dr. MLK,Jr brithplace

posted: 7/19/2009 at 2:45 AM
Quote from jimmyb on 7/18/2009 at 7:06 PM:

Nice race, Clay!

 

If you hold the LAP button down for about 5 seconds, it resets the watch. It stores the WU in memory and a new workout is ready to be done. After your warm-up, just reset it, and push START when the gun goes off, or you cross the starting line.

 

--Jimmy

 Yes,that is way the spilts look odd.Just did not have the brain power to reset after it stopped at 3 miles.Would have like to have recorded the heart rate for the last .25 mile. It probaly was above 195.

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posted: 7/19/2009 at 4:58 AM

I don't get what you were doing. I don't do anything fancy with my Garmin is I wear it at a race. Just get it going and boop it at every mile marker ( I take it off automatic).

 

 

--Jimmy

C-R


Aaack!

posted: 7/25/2009 at 2:20 PM
modified: 7/25/2009 at 6:40 PM

5k this morning. 19:40 and 3rd in AG. First ever for that. Rain and roads were wet. Haven't downloaded the HR info yet but it will be interesting.

 

 

MTA: AHR = 168 with MHR of 176 - pretty interesting splits on HR for the miles 1= 160, 2 = 171, 3  = 173, .1 = 174.

 

Not sure what to make of this wrt my racing strategy. Anyone?


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"Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid." - John Whayne New quote needed. Purdey found the secret

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