Low HR Training

"Expose Your Slow Twitchers" Daily Maffetone and/or Low-HR Training Reports (Read 20600 times)

    OK, run number two monitoring splits:

     

    Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
    Interval 1 Mi 10:27.66 10:27.66 10:28 139 152  
    Interval 1 Mi 11:37.61 22:05.27 11:38 148 152  
    Interval 1 Mi 12:13.61 34:18.88 12:14 148 151  
    Interval 0.15 Mi 1:55.79 36:14.67 12:52 147 150  

     

    So this was intended to be a 6 mile run, but stopped at 3 with my wife.  I think the swim earlier took too much out of me.  Anyway, question time.  If I were to go out a little bit slower in the first mile, would my subesequent miles be faster?  Logic is pointing me to yes, since I know from experience that I have better race times if I go out easier in the beginning of the run.  Opinions?

    yes.

    based on my experience.

    and with a full warmup done first, after that the first mile is again slower but there is hardly any slowdown afterwards for a while (until cardiac drift happens).

      alright my "long run" today was 6.8-6.9 miles :P

      wow, before I started MAF training, my average run was that long.

       

      anyway, this took me 90 mins (plus 15min warmup 1.2miles) and the pace improved (less snow today!) to 13:07 overall!! the first 5K of that was 12:48!!

       

      in last mile I walked a bit sometimes, probably a little cardiac drift after around 70 mins but pace wasn't degraded much while strictly keeping the AHR at 152 (overall 152 too).

       

      I started out at 3C / 38F, finished at 0C / 32F, wind wasn't too bad.

      jimmyb


        tm 1% T68º H58% DP 53º

         

         Run

        13:23  115

        13:02 130

        07:34  133

         

        2.57 miles 34:00 Ave pace 13:14


        WALK 
        20:00  105
        20:00 99
        20:00 98
        20:0098
        20:00 97
        20:00  98

        10:00 99

         

        2:10:00  6.5 miles pace 20:00

        Total RUN/WAlk 2:44:00  9.07 miles

         

        Have a great weekend!

        --Jimmy

           

          2:10:00  6.5 miles pace 20:00

          Total RUN/WAlk 2:44:00  9.07 miles

           

          Have a great weekend!

          --Jimmy

           Nearly 3 hrs our a treadmill. You"re good.

          Run until the trail runs out.

          2012**Run 40 miles week

          50 miler**100 miler

           PR 5K**10K**26.2

          http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

            5 miles + 1 mile walk.

             Maff test. 1.8 mile W/U. Rain in parking lot of school. 2nd mile partially(30 meters) on grass to avoid water puddles. The grass probably slowed down the pace.Will re-test next week before race day. Ran after work. Normally  maff test are in the AM.

            Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
            Interval 1 Mi 12:36.89 12:36.89 12:37 124 130  
            Interval 1 Mi 12:57.49 25:34.38 12:58 124 129  
            Interval 1 Mi 12:38.82 38:13.20 12:39 124 129  
            Interval <center>—</center> 0:03.39 38:16.59 <center>—</center> 125 126

            Run until the trail runs out.

            2012**Run 40 miles week

            50 miler**100 miler

             PR 5K**10K**26.2

            http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

              10 miles + 1mile C/D. Plan was to stay between 11:00-12:15 pace. Had to keep  reminding  myself to slow down. Started out struggling the first 2 miles .After that  I found a comfortable pace. Moderately challenging course.

               HR 143/164 (Maff*** 126)

              Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
              Interval 1 Mi 12:03.06 12:03.06 12:04 118 129  
              Interval 1 Mi 11:41.3 23:44.36 11:42 132 150  
              Interval 1 Mi 11:19.54 35:03.90 11:20 144 156  
              Interval 1 Mi 9:27.11 44:31.01 9:28 145 162  
              Interval 1 Mi 10:27.39 54:58.40 10:28 155 164 water
              Interval 1 Mi 10:40 1:05:38.40 10:40 148 156  
              Interval 1 Mi 9:55.37 1:15:33.77 9:56 149 157  
              Interval 1 Mi 10:15.91 1:25:49.68 10:16 147 160  
              Interval 1 Mi 10:50.53 1:36:40.21 10:51 144 156 water
              Interval 1 Mi 10:13.01 1:46:53.22 10:14 152 160  
              Interval 0.03 Mi 0:15.27 1:47:08.49 8:29 152 152  

              Run until the trail runs out.

              2012**Run 40 miles week

              50 miler**100 miler

               PR 5K**10K**26.2

              http://bkclay.blogspot.com/


              Decker Challenge 12/12

                I got in 9.1 long run this morning. Thought about keeping on when I hit a turning point then thought better of it. I was tired, hurting from coming up a long hill and just didn't think it was worth near another hour on my feet. Not at my pace. turned around made it back to the first water stop, refilled my g2, grabbed fiber bar, walked, ate, drank, recovered and ran back to the starting point. Weather was not a factor, stress and fatigue were. It's been a stressful week at work and its been showing up in my runs. No oomph.My hr stayed in the maf-10 area, 97, came up to 102 on the hills but that was it. Felt hard to maintain - again I think its just stress.

                bob e v
                2012 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

                Finish 2 halves, 3M Half 1/29 and probably Decker Challenge in Dec
                history: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008, 62nd birthday; 1st 10k 2/28/2009 - 50 wks from heart attack to 10k; 1st Half Marathon 11/9/09 20 months from heart attack! !

                  3.5 mile recovery run. HR 100/125.

                  Run until the trail runs out.

                  2012**Run 40 miles week

                  50 miler**100 miler

                   PR 5K**10K**26.2

                  http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

                  jdazzle


                    Run 3 tracking splits:

                     

                    Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
                    Interval 1 Mi 11:39.93 11:39.93 11:40 143 165  
                    Interval 1 Mi 12:52.9 24:32.83 12:53 146 153  
                    Interval 1 Mi 12:31.1 37:03.93 12:32 147 154  
                    Interval 1 Mi 11:21.1 48:25.03 11:22 146 152  
                    Interval 1 Mi 12:00.44 1:00:25.47 12:01 146 153  
                    Interval 1 Mi 12:51.09 1:13:16.56 12:52 145 150  
                    Interval 1 Mi 13:18.81 1:26:35.37 13:19 147 153  
                    Interval 1 Mi 11:43.35 1:38:18.72 11:44 147 151  
                    Interval 1 Mi 12:24.15 1:50:42.87 12:25 147 151  
                    Interval 1 Mi 12:21.21 2:03:04.08 12:22 148 154  
                    Interval 0.01 Mi 0:09.49 2:03:13.57 15:49 152 152  

                     

                    Not bad for a hilly course, and raining at that.  Also my first 10 miler in about 8 months.  Lots of puddle jumping.  AHR for the run was 12:19.  Started out slower than last run, but didn't seem to have much effect on the other mile times.  I'm sure it will on shorter runs.  Heart rate monitor seemed to flake on me in the first few miles, then settled down.  I think i'm progressing?  Thoughts?

                      Not bad for a hilly course, and raining at that.  Also my first 10 miler in about 8 months.  Lots of puddle jumping.  AHR for the run was 12:19.  Started out slower than last run, but didn't seem to have much effect on the other mile times.  I'm sure it will on shorter runs.  Heart rate monitor seemed to flake on me in the first few miles, then settled down.  I think i'm progressing?  Thoughts?

                       

                      you definitely are, even if you don't see much from the underlying processes yet  Smile

                        hmm, and I got my mileage to 30 for this week. I will settle down for 30 for a while, happy with this, my legs seem alright and don't want overload.

                         

                        today's workout was on a hilly route and I was able to do continuous running uphill - but it is not exactly "progress", I just found a pace that I was able to maintain at 150 AHR for a long time. that was slower than run+walk. it still made me very happy Smile

                         

                        overall pace due to this was 15:55, a "record" of its own kind Smile (for 5.4 miles that was 86mins)

                         

                        weekly total is 30miles and 7 hours in 6 workouts... hope 7 hours is not too much for my second week Smile that doesn't include the warmup walks, those were around 80-90 mins total. (doesn't feel like too much, anyway)

                          Nice and easy yesterday. 6.5 in my hour with an AHR of 125. I was incredibly sore from my weekend soccer play and coaching clinic. 14 hours of soccer drills and trianing reminded me of mucsles I haven't used since my playing days in college.

                           

                          Today was a hill workout which definitely does not belong in this thread. Yikes.


                          "He conquers who endures" - Persius
                          "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel


                          Decker Challenge 12/12

                            Well got a 3.5 miler in on a route I run a lot this morning after taking two days off. Hr behaved like it has before the new med was added. Two days off probably helped. Am also wondering about timing of med consumption vs running. Weekend/non-work day and races are run post-meds in daylight. the exercise could be metabolizing the meds fast enough to possibly have a greater effect? who knows. Will continue with experimient of 1! Feel much better than I did after Sun run. gotta keep my head outta my butt! and stop over thinking each run. Just let it happen and enjoy!

                            Will be traveling Thur thru Mon. Hope to get some running in, even if dreadmill, and post at least occasionally.

                            bob e v
                            2012 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

                            Finish 2 halves, 3M Half 1/29 and probably Decker Challenge in Dec
                            history: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008, 62nd birthday; 1st 10k 2/28/2009 - 50 wks from heart attack to 10k; 1st Half Marathon 11/9/09 20 months from heart attack! !

                              Yesterday was a very significant day for me.  For the first time in 3 months, I ran on two consecutive days.  The weather for the past two days was gorgeous  (sunny and in the 60s) here in NE, after many days of torrential rain.  My basement sump pump is still working hard to keep the water table from rising into my basement.

                               

                              So, I could not resist going out for these runs, in a T shirt and shorts for the first time this year.  And now, the clocks have changed and we get an extra hour of sun light at night.  So, things are looking up going into Spring!  I am looking forward to increasing miles and spending more time outside.

                               

                              I took a few weeks off in December and then ran about 3 times a week on average (12 miles).  I did a lot of above MAF runs which I call Easy (75% maxHR) and the rest at or below MAF.  I really enjoyed the faster paced running, where I actually was sweating when I finished. 

                               

                              But, eventually, the lack of miles caught up with me and my MAF pace definitely went down.  At my peak, my MAF pace will be in the 10s, but now it is in the 11s.  Eventually I found myself gravitating back to MAF pace in recent weeks, simply because it feels good and right.  So, I would say that I was able to maintain some aerobic fitness, and I would say that my 3 month persiod was a maintanence period.

                               

                              But, here is what I found really interesting.  I just started doing long runs again.  I have completed my third one just the other day, and already, I feel like I am getting back some aerobic fitness.  I was able to run my last long run at the same pace as my first one, but I was able to do it about 8 beats lower for HR.

                               

                              The other thing I have found is that I feel much stronger now.  I really believe the rest was good for that.  And I think some of the faster paced running (75% maxHR, and some 80% maxHR) also helped me to feel stronger.  When I ran my long run, I just felt stronger while keeping at my MAF HR.

                               

                              I would say that I am now in a base phase.  But, I really think I already have a good base from the past two years of mostly MAF running.  I really believe it will not take me long to get back the fitness I had, because I think I already have a good foundation from the past two years because of this MAF running.

                               

                              Looking forward to the new Season!

                               

                              Just to add one more thing.  The other thing I have observed that I think is interesting is that when I was doing above MAF running, I would definitely poop out after 3 or 4 miles.  It definitely required more concentration, and effort.  It is interesting how you can just drop your HR back to MAF pace, and all of a sudden you are in a totally different effort level.  For me, it is just backing off by about 8 beats of HR or about a minute per mile pace.

                               

                              I still am looking forward to the above MAF running, but I see that it is not necessary to do it all the time.

                                run48: yes you should be able to regain your fitness back soon. your previous work is not lost as easily as that!

                                 

                                The other thing I have observed that I think is interesting is that when I was doing above MAF running, I would definitely poop out after 3 or 4 miles.  It definitely required more concentration, and effort.  It is interesting how you can just drop your HR back to MAF pace, and all of a sudden you are in a totally different effort level.

                                 

                                yeah.. what is interesting to me is that I too observed a difference between MAF and above-MAF.

                                but! it's 2 things! first, above-MAF is easier to my legs, lol! second, at the same time, the general stress load is less/easier at/under MAF.

                                 

                                must be my slow twitchers still getting used to it... recently (recently maybe because recently I started doing workouts really really slow at an even lower HR) my calves started complaining in their own weird way: when I start the workout and set a pace that's below 150, my calves will start to give a "burning" feeling after a few minutes. it's in the lower part of the calf (near achilles). it's pretty bad and then I have to take 4-5 walk steps which relieves it for a little while. then after a few laps they will get used to the pace. but today I noticed that when I tried an even slower pace later on, at lower HR, they would complain again... so I went back to the "faster" pace and all fine again.

                                 

                                any theory for that? :P mine is, the slowest twitchers are used first at the start of a slooooow workout and they are not yet used to being used (as I used to run faster and at higher HR), then they tire out and other slightly faster ones (that I already used before so they are happy with the load) will be recruited. and when I tried the even slower pace later then maybe some of these very slow twitchers were recruited again. stupid theory? can't find any other explanation

                                 

                                another thing... I confirmed today that a full mix of run+walk is not good for me. just doesn't work. the idea in today's workout was: run a few laps then alternate walking and running for the next few laps, where half of the lap is walking then other half is running. this was meant as some "rest". but it was a bad idea, after a while my legs just hated it stopping and then going back to running. they were pretty much dead by the end of the workout.

                                if it's just a little walk to bring HR down that's fine, but these 400m (0.25mile) walks were too long. I'm not doing this sort of workout again. I'm serious: I've never experienced this totally dead feeling in any workout in my life before. Sad