barefootin'
I have been running consistently since July and I have been trying to maintain 77% of my max HRM using the 180 method, which puts me around 138-140 bpm. I use a Garmin 301 heart rate / GPS. I'm 41, 6' and weigh 222 lbs.
In October I was trying to hit 100 miles for the month, and by Oct 17th I had about 60 miles in, but my legs were starting to feel not-so-springy on a daily basis. Then on a 10 mile run I tweaked my left knee and then had a right foot issue so I cut way back on days + miles and I'm gradually getting back into it.
Problem - At the beginning of my runs the past eight weeks or so, my heart rate will go up to 90-95% in the first 50 to 100 feet. I don't feel like I am working hard. I use nose-breathing and my intake is long and deep. I am not gasping by any means and I am just trotting along very gently.
After 1/2 mile to a mile I can get my heart rate down to under 80%, and after a 1.5 miles maintaining <= 77% is easy.
The way I understand it, I want to train my aerobic systems and if I go over 77-80% I am no longer building the aerobic systems. I could just start out walking until I warm up, but I don't know if that is necessary. I don't know what the high initial heart rate indicates.
My blood pressure is a little up, but my doctor said the medication won't affect my heart rate at all. When I brought this situation up with him yesterday his first answer was "de-conditioning", but if anything I think it could be overtraining. I told him I have been running for a while and his only idea was if it is a problem maybe we should do a stress test.
Bill Wagnon / st. louis mo
Bill,
Sometimes the HRM takes a bit to latch in due to a lack of perspiration or contact fluid. I have this happen expecially on cold days. What it really brings forward is the need for a good warmup. Dr. Phil advocates a good 10 minutes to get your HR stabilized. I'm not as good about this for my daiy runs but am now being more disciplined for my MAF tests. A proper warm-up (and cool down) are very important. So chekc your HRM for solid contact and perhaps warm-up a little longer.
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Thanks!
When I start off should I absolutely keep my HR under the MAF level?
Is the high heart rate a detriment to my training?
Thanks! When I start off should I absolutely keep my HR under the MAF level? Is the high heart rate a detriment to my training?
Well now you have hit on an oft discussed topic but let me provide you my take (Jimmy our maf maven will most likely be able to explain it much better than me ). If you are base training, you should keep your runs below MAF. A blip here or there won't do any harm but running workouts where a significant portion is over MAF will reduce the pace of progress. You won't lose anything but you have moved your body from burning one fuel vs. another and it will take time to reset and get it back to using fat as a primary fuel. The general idea is to build a aerobic engine that steers towards buring fats vs. short term fuel while building stronger muscles and oxygen transport.
I'm assuming your question on the high HR refers back to the initial spike. Since it's my thought this is both warm up and HRM related, I would say no. But it would be best to have a good warm-up routine to ease into your training runs.
Hey there and welcome to the LHR forums!
Like you, when I was new here, I had lots and lots of questions regarding MAF training. I recommend you read the following link once or twice. It will probably answer most of your questions, and give you an idea of what to expect.
http://www.runningahead.com/groups/LOWHRTR/Forum/60275b29d3324bd384739e880f6a7495
My HR does the exact same thing you describe and I am also using a 301. I have limited time during my lunch break so I don't warm up very well. I've also noticed it happens more frequently now that its cooler outside.
I will start out with a slow jog, watch my monitor and listen to it start squeeling at my that my HR is too high. I write it off as some bad readings because I know very well how hard I'm working at the HR numbers its dispaying and I'n nowhere near that type of intensity. I begin to walk and after about 5 seconds of walking, my HR drops instantly to under 120. I start to slow jog again and boom, it reached 160+, so I go back to walking. Five seconds later it drops to 125 or so and I start to jog again.
Two or three times it will spike, then drop after a very short walk, after that, it usually settles in to correctly display my HR and I'm off and running. it skews the first miles average pace a little, but thats okay with me. If I'm performing a MAF test, I would take the extra time to warm up properly to avoid the erratic behavior or the readings.
I also upload to a program called "Sport Tracks" and use a function called "edit tracks" to edit the HR data and remove the spikes and valleys at the beginning of my run that I know are erroneous. By doing that, I can get better and more accurate average and MAX HR numbers.
2012 Goals:
5k = sub 22:00
10k = sub 45:00
HM = sub 1:40:00
Run = 2000 miles
Bike = 3000 miles
Swim = 130 miles
I've noticed the same thing - when I change from run to walk, there is an immediate and precipitous drop in the displayed percentage.
I have used the 301 for about five years and I don't recall this happening before. However, I wasn't using the % of max display either so it was probably just lack of awareness.
What I don't get is why the display is wrong because it seems to be accurate the rest of the time.
So the upshot seems to be my warmup mile at 90-95% (displayed) HRM is not a detriment, but after the warmup I need to be 77% or lower to employ Low HR training.
Almost every time I use my HRM, I apply some liquid soap to the contact area. Just a very little bit. I have never had incorrect readings when I have done this.
The very few times that I did not apply the liquid soap, I would have high, incorrect HR readings during the first mile.
Sounds like a contact problem. Once you are sweating enough the transmitter will get solid readings. My Garmin does the same thing, especially on colder days (like Norm). Here's a few ideas:
--put your transmitter strap on a bit sooner before the run. I find if I do this, I usually don't even have to wet it.
--make sure your strap is tight enough, it shouldn't be moving
--liquid soap does work, but gave me a rash after a few weeks
--wet it with a little water or spit or heart rate monitor cream
--clean it from time to time
Warming up with a brief easy walk beforehand can help you sweat a little.
It must be noted that a few people in the past have been going along and suddenly have gotten a very high reading that woudn't come back down. They stopped and took their pulse and realized their heart was racing out of control. So, if it happens during the run, it may be wise to stop and take your pulse. One of the benefits of the HRM is that it can sometimes cue you into a real problem.
-Jimmy
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Same thing happened to me when I started using a HRM strap for the first time. I broke out in a rash all around the strap and underneath the strap. I assumed it was the strap that my body was not used to and did not think about the soap causing the problem. Eventually, that issue went away. Maybe my body got used to it.
On a related topic, speaking of breaking out in a rash. Last summer, when I first started doing long runs, I did one in a light rain. So, my clothes got slightly wet, and the constant running movement caused the wet clothes to rub on my skin. By the end of the long run, I broke out in a rash everywhere where my clothes came in contact with my body. It went away after an hour or two of being dry. But, it was uncomfortable. And then after that, on my long runs, I was breaking out in rashes in the same way just from the sweat. Thankfully, this did not continue and the problem went away. All I could think about was, of all the reasons to not be able to run, this would have really been disappointing. I also thought, boy, can you imagine this happening during a marathon or something? Again, I think my body just got used to it and stopped reacting that way.
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Hey Gino,
Good to hear from you. Thanks for stopping by.
Bob
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