Low HR Training

Get the F out! (Read 1408 times)

Rudolf


    We'll see where it goes.
    fat, muscles or wife ? Big grin Evil grin well done on the progress anyway in my experience, people with neg comments are feeling threatened either from the angle they would be forced to follow or that they no longer are in the same category and similar vaeriations of it. try some reasurance techniques Evil grin personaly I am not checking my numbers at the moment simply focusing on training volume and preparing for the ultraraces comming up and somehow I cant find the fat caliper pinching thingy (perhaps wife has tided it away ?)


    Happy

      GMoney, I just read Rudolf's post - I agree with him. For reason's we don't always understand the changes that you are making to your lifestyle and the physical transformation that you are undergoing can be perceived as a threat by our spouses and/or friends. Your wife's negative comments about you being too thin or boney or whatever the choice of word should probably be taken as her voicing her fear of what this means in her relationship to you. Are you going to think she too needs to loose weight? Are you going to ask her to change the ways she eats? Is she going to look fat next to you? Are you going to look at women who are more slim or slender and compare to her? I am very fortunate that I am married to a man who has never been afraid or felt threatened by all the changes I have made and gone through. He is now married to a woman who has no fat tissue left (size AA Bra Cup Big grin) - he still doesn't use negative words like too thin or too bony or anything like that about me. He has never said he prefers "softer" women - a phrase I have heard other men use. Yes, we are still married Smile GMoney, do not be afraid of loosing weight. You do probably need to make sure she understands that you adore her ever more and always will - we women are often very insecure and need a lot of confirmation. Congratulations with your successful weightloss - you are doing wonderfully.
      5K, 4/28/07 24:16 PR
      10K, 5/5/07 49:23 PR
      1/2 M, 12/08/07 1:49:34 PR
      Marathon, 12/09/06 3:57:37 BQ
      50K, 10/04/2009 7:27:00 PB
      40M, 4/17/2010 11:20:00 PB
      gracerunner


        Tell me about it, hon. I have lots of running friends that have been through losing weight and the spouse becoming insecure. My late husband felt a little threatened when I started running and losing weight about thirty years ago. He felt more secure when I was fat because I was less attractive. Once my waist to hip ratio got back to the universal sexy range, he got nervous that other men would find me attractive. Well, it took a bit of my personal therapy Big grin, but eventually he did lose his insecurity, or at least stopped dropping hints and talking about it. To some spouses: losing weight= losing love "My wife wanted to lose weight, she did, and now she is on the loose! I just know it!" "Never loosen your tight grip on your spouse...nor his love handles!" That about sums it up. It's a crazy world. I sincerely hope you all keep losing weight!!!! But keep reassuring your spouses with extra love that they won't lose you to your new endeavors.
        GMoney


          No, rest assured that my wife's comments aren't going to distract me from my goal. I think she's concerned for my health because I appear to be dropping weight more quickly than I ever have before. As I've told her I think that's more a product of my motivation than of a health risk. She may have perceived that comment as a shot at her - which wasn't what I intended at all. I don't ask her to do anything that makes her uncomfortable. Unless there was a very clear, very high medical risk of what she was doing I wouldn't ask her to change how she eats, looks, or acts. Part of married life - trying to make the one you love happy without giving up the things that are important to you.
          Rudolf


            as an official media spokeperson for the SSPA (sexiest selfish piggs associations) I was ordered to issue this statement : we do not mind You girls loosing all the fat You want, just please keep the DD for us. Evil grin in case You are wondering, this is the result of the pressure to share the feelings. so the fat loss and keeping DD is the way I deeply feel about. and the SSPA label is the result of corrective lecture about how should I feel about myself for having such wrong feelings Big grin
            jimmyb


              Myths: eating Before Bed leads to weight gain. For your perusal. I was looking this up as I saw a show on obesity on Discovery. They mentioned the belief that eating close to bedtime can lead to more fat gain. --JJimmyy
              GMoney


                Thanks, Jimmy. Interesting read. Here's a different take that seems to confirm Van Aaken's basic point on weight: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090226/ap_on_he_me/med_dueling_diets The seemingly never ending variation and conflicting evidence between studies convinces me more and more that there is no one simple right answer to fat loss and that the key is making choices that fit with the parameters of your life and your goals. I'm curious about how this week went - I'm sensing a regression (i.e. weight gain) but will wait until Monday to look and won't play games in the meantime. My sense, though, is that moving my first bite of food to 3 p.m. rather than 5 p.m. has led to me eating more calories overall. On the positive side, my wife has either gotten sick of me being thinner or gotten jealous. She's stopped taking me to task for being thin and started a fat loss program of her own. It's vastly different than mine, but something she thinks she can stick with. One thing that's very clear to me - weighing less has improved my running. Frankly, I'm amazed at how much stronger I run minus the 12 or so extra pounds I've been hauling around.
                GMoney


                  Bizzare - 169.0 lbs, 16.5 neck, 33.5 waist, 13.0% fat. Weight went up yet waist went down. I think this is one of those times it pays not to get too caught up in a particular metric or in the week-to-week changes in the numbers. Gonna call last week a "recovery week" and see what I can do better to avoid another mixed result this week.
                    Hi GMoney, I saw a link to an article on a fasting forum that I thought you might enjoy: http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-fasting2-2009feb02,0,2007563.story
                    Thank you for your support,
                    Mark
                    GMoney


                      Thanks for the link. Interesting read. I've read a fair bit now about CR (calorie restriction) and IF (intermittent fasting) and that's a pretty fair summary of the perceived pros and cons. I do wish that the term "fasting" wasn't applied to what I do. The connotations of "fasting" can confuse people and make them think that I do something that I don't.. What I'm really doing is just - eating when I'm hungry and not eating when I'm not.
                      wbr


                        Here's my story. Last May 2008 my doctor said my weight (272), fasting blood glucose (125), and cholesterol (217) were too high and I needed to eat better, exercise, and lose weight or she was going to put me on meds. Fortunately, I don't take anything now and don't want to start down that road. So I did the South Beach Diet for 2 weeks and lost 15 lbs (I bought the book 2 years ago but had never tried it). After that initial period, I couldn't seem to lose any more weight. For 4-5 months I was trying to workout 3-4 times per week either spinning classes, running/walking, some weights and swimming, but I would over do the intensity and miss several days because I felt like crap-ola. So I only averaged about 2 days per week. Then in December, I started a radical (for me) diet (no meat, chicken, fish, or milk) but with minimal cheese and olive oil. Lots of fresh fruits and veggies, homemade hummus, salads, sprouts, oatmeal, brown rice, barley, and beans. I tried the tofu burgers but they're not for me. My wife and I eat eggs once a week and we have one veggie pizza nite out per week. If someone had told me that I could eat like this, I'd have told them they were nuts. At the same time I started the diet, I stopped the high intensity stuff and started walking about 60 minutes 4-5 days per week (we live in Florida). Then about two weeks ago I started reading about the MAF program and decided to give it a try. I really like it and since December I have lost another 15 lbs. Last week my glucose had improved to 110 and my cholesterol was 176. I cannot run without exceeding my MAF HR (125), so I alternate running and walking. But I can see an improvement already. Jimmy says I need to do my MAF test, so that's next. My goal is to run/walk a long, flat event around here next Spring. Either a HM, Full M, or trail 50K. Whatever I think I can finish, but I'm partial to the trails. Thanks for listening, Bob
                        GMoney


                          Congrats, Bob. That's a very inspiring story. Keep up the great work. I think I've mentioned it in this thread before, but "phase 1" of the South Beach Diet is essentially identical to Maffetone's "two-week test" program. Seems like you have found a plan that works for you and helps you make progress. If your biomarkers are improving (as they seem to be) then you're on the right path. I lived near Miami for about 12 years before moving to Virginia (where I now live). Easy to find flat events there, but not so easy to find trail runs. Now I'm in completely the opposite situation - lots of trails but everythings very bumpy. From what I understand, Tampa has a somewhat more active trail racing community, but there still aren't a ton of trail races there that I'm aware of. Some Half-Marathons that I can recommend are - Key West (Conch Shell) in January, Miami in January, and Space Coast in November (the full marathon's a little boring but the half is fun). If you're into Disney then I hear the half there (January) is alright. Disney was my first marathon, but, personally I don't see any need to run it again. My favorite Florida race of all time, though, is the Seven Mile Bridge Run in April. Nothing else like that anywhere.
                          wbr


                            I live in Jacksonville now, but I lived in Greensboro, NC for about 10 years and really miss those mountain trails of North Carolina and SW Virginia. We just had the Iron Horse 50 and 100 mile endurance run last month and there's a nice 50K here at the end of March (Guana River 50K) that's run on a 6-8 mile loop in a state park along the river. Lot of big trees and good scenery. But I have no clue what I might be able to do by then. I sure don't want to bite off more than I can chew.


                            Happy

                              Hi Bob, Your story is amazing - you have taken charge of your health and it is beginning to pay big dividends Smile How did you "run" into the MAF training? You have been walking 5-6 days per week, 1 hour at the time for a couple of months now, right? And the weight is coming off. I know the weight loss is probably due to a combination of changes you've made, walking just being part of the picture and dietary changes being another major part. You should be very proud of yourself Smile You and I have about the same MAF, mine is 126 = 180-age-5 (for being injured) There are many other members of this forum that do a lot of walking. I know LG (Lowgear) walks many miles every day and he has reported that he lost, I think it is 45lbs., while taking up walking. He now runs too - I actually don't know for how long he has been doing this; perhaps he will care to tell you his story himself. I have been inspired by the people in this forum and by many of the recommended books to incorporate walking into my running program. I have been maffing since mid-January. I really enjoy the walking warm-ups and cool-downs and also taking walk breaks during my runs in order to bring my HR down. I think walking is a great angle to come at MAF training from - good for you! If you want to start running you should do it ever so gradually - after warming up by walking for 20-30 minutes start jogging while keeping an eye on your HR monitor; when you run out of breath or when your HR exceeds your MAF you will want to start walking until things are under control, then do a little jogging again, repeat this pattern until it is time for cool-dwon. See if this works for you. If you feel pain, stop running and start walking. You may become sore in some muscles the day after or even 2-3 days after your run - this is delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS) - it is normal; I find walking to be a good way to deal with this soreness, rather than taking time comepletely off to rest. Walking just warms up the muscles and gets the blood circulating to help restore the microtears in the muscles and also to clear away "waste products" and bring oxygen to your muscles. Please, let us know how you progress. You can ask all the questions you wish - none are too silly Wink
                              5K, 4/28/07 24:16 PR
                              10K, 5/5/07 49:23 PR
                              1/2 M, 12/08/07 1:49:34 PR
                              Marathon, 12/09/06 3:57:37 BQ
                              50K, 10/04/2009 7:27:00 PB
                              40M, 4/17/2010 11:20:00 PB
                              wbr


                                Flower, I started in February of 2008 and started tracking my workouts in June. I mostly did spinning classes, swimming, and weights at the Y. Even did some body pump classes with my wife. Because of my extra weight, age, and inactivity, it took me a long time to work up to running. Walking I hated! But when I would try running I would over do it and wind up missing a bunch of days with colds, etc. I tried everything from Jeff Galloway to Guerilla-Cardio. I was making slow progress but it was killing me. I'm not sure where I first discovered the MAF program. Maybe from a link to a Mark Allen website I ran across. (I'll never forgive Mark Allen for Taking the Ironman title from Dave Scott.) Big grin Anyway, I've only been doing the MAF for less than 2 weeks but I can tell it's for me. This week was my first full week and I walked/ran 300 minutes with a HR between 115 and 128. I can't believe that after an hour I'm not washed out like I used to be. Today I did my long run at the beach. 5.5 miles in 80 minutes with a HR between 116 and 128. Tomorrow my wife and I are going to a local park and walk a 6 mile loop. No running, just walking. I'm excited that I can do this without killing myself. Thanks for the kind works and I will keep you all posted. "And yes Jimmy, I plan to do my first MAF test this coming week." Bob