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Boston RR's...where are they!? (Read 758 times)

    Come on guys/gals! Smile
      Where would they go? I have a time-tested story about a first-timer who went too fast and blew up at the end, complete with splits and admissions of multiple dumb mistakes, but I don't know the home for RR since leaving CR.
        I meant for the HR runners we had. Jesse, DVC, Audio, etc. Smile Others probably go in the RACES forum I guess? I haven't really checked much to be honest.
          well i hang our here too, so i went first
          BeeRunB


            I meant for the HR runners we had. Jesse, DVC, Audio, etc. Smile Others probably go in the RACES forum I guess? I haven't really checked much to be honest.
            Patience. Let the dudes get home, get through a day of work, then get home, ignore the wife and kids so they can write their reports for us. They're coming! I just know it! Cool --Jimmy P.S. I was following Jesse as I do every time he runs Boston (they have a great tracking system). He had a 1:35:20/1:43:12.....3:18:32.
              Patience. Let the dudes get home, get through a day of work, then get home, ignore the wife and kids so they can write their reports for us. They're coming! I just know it! Cool --Jimmy P.S. I was following Jesse as I do every time he runs Boston (they have a great tracking system). He had a 1:35:20/1:43:12.....3:18:32.
              Yes, yes. You are correct, as usual. Smile


              El Presidente

                I had a great experience running my first Boston Marathon, though I was mildly disappointed with my performance. I'll definitely have a lengthy race report posted sometime tomorrow, but in the meantime, here are the stats: 1:36:23 / 1:39:36 = 3:15:59 (re-qualified by one freakin' second!) Splits and AHR: 1. 7:32 (172) . . . . . 10. 7:24 (180) . . . . . 19. 7:33 (184) 2. 7:17 (167) . . . . . 11. 7:23 (181) . . . . . 20. 7:41 (187) 3. 7:13 (170) . . . . . 12. 7:17 (179) . . . . . 21. 7:56 (190) 4. 7:22 (169) . . . . . 13. 7:21 (182) . . . . . 22. 7:30 (183) 5. 7:20 (177) . . . . . 14. 7:21 (182) . . . . . 23. 7:50 (184) 6. 7:18 (174) . . . . . 15. 7:29 (184) . . . . . 24. 7:29 (187) 7. 7:26 (173) . . . . . 16. 7:20 (179) . . . . . 25. 7:44 (187) 8. 7:20 (177) . . . . . 17. 7:31 (187) . . . . . 26. 7:40 (190) 9. 7:18 (177) . . . . . 18. 7:43 (187) It's nothing but MAF from here on out.

                "I train conservatively so that I can race recklessly."


                run-easy-race-hard

                  I had to fly back home right after the race, then I flew to Netherlands the next day. I have very limited internet (and any other communications for that matter) access here, so I'll deal with such matters when I get back. In short, I knew at mile 4 that I did not want to be running, so I just took it easy. Too much left in me from the 50 miler the previous weekend. Still enjoyed the race. Avg HR was 166, 6 beats lower than my "pushing it" marathon heart rate. You can probably pull up my race profile from jesseleitner.motionbased.com, where you'll see little heart rate blips where I would pick it up, high five it on both sides, then cut it back after the crowd.
                    I had a great experience running my first Boston Marathon, though I was mildly disappointed with my performance. I'll definitely have a lengthy race report posted sometime tomorrow, but in the meantime, here are the stats: 1:36:23 / 1:39:36 = 3:15:59 (re-qualified by one freakin' second!) Splits and AHR: 1. 7:32 (172) . . . . . 10. 7:24 (180) . . . . . 19. 7:33 (184) 2. 7:17 (167) . . . . . 11. 7:23 (181) . . . . . 20. 7:41 (187) 3. 7:13 (170) . . . . . 12. 7:17 (179) . . . . . 21. 7:56 (190) 4. 7:22 (169) . . . . . 13. 7:21 (182) . . . . . 22. 7:30 (183) 5. 7:20 (177) . . . . . 14. 7:21 (182) . . . . . 23. 7:50 (184) 6. 7:18 (174) . . . . . 15. 7:29 (184) . . . . . 24. 7:29 (187) 7. 7:26 (173) . . . . . 16. 7:20 (179) . . . . . 25. 7:44 (187) 8. 7:20 (177) . . . . . 17. 7:31 (187) . . . . . 26. 7:40 (190) 9. 7:18 (177) . . . . . 18. 7:43 (187) It's nothing but MAF from here on out.
                    Looks like a pretty good run to me! I don't have much time right now as we are packing for the race this weekend. Enjoy some easy recovery runs this week. Smile
                      I had to fly back home right after the race, then I flew to Netherlands the next day. I have very limited internet (and any other communications for that matter) access here, so I'll deal with such matters when I get back. In short, I knew at mile 4 that I did not want to be running, so I just took it easy. Too much left in me from the 50 miler the previous weekend. Still enjoyed the race. Avg HR was 166, 6 beats lower than my "pushing it" marathon heart rate. You can probably pull up my race profile from jesseleitner.motionbased.com, where you'll see little heart rate blips where I would pick it up, high five it on both sides, then cut it back after the crowd.
                      Yikes. I couldn't imagine running a marathon after a 50 miler the week before. (much less Boston with those hills) At least the weather was pretty good this year! Smile
                        Well I just got back last night, so haven't even put it in my log yet. The marathon itself was a disappointment for me, the Boston vacation as a whole was great as my son got to have a blast doing all of the stuff Boston has to offer. I think three things went against me on Monday: 1. Whatever illness/bug/virus/?? I got the Sunday-Wednesday before Boston did not go away. I knew by mile 1/mile 2 this was not going to be my day. HR was too high, too warm, too sunny. 2. The sun. Why oh why did the sun have to come out exactly at the start.... 3. The warmth. Way warmer than anything I had run in since last October. My splits: 1 7:12 160 2 7:15 167 3 7:23 166 4 7:17 167 5 7:37 168 6 7:27 167 7 7:29 167 8 7:28 168 9 7:25 167 10 7:34 168 11 7:35 167 12 7:22 166 13 7:23 169 14 7:30 168 15 7:39 168 16 7:19 167 17 7:41 171 18 7:51 171 19 7:48 168 20 8:00 172 21 8:14 172 22/23 15:50 167 24 8:01 166 25 8:10 166 26.22 9:44 169 Time: 3:20:27 (I got 3:20:25.7). AHR 168 MHR 176 So my questions are. 1. What does it mean that I averaged 168HR (90.81%) for a marathon, even though the highest HR I've seen on my monitor is 185?? Does it mean my maxHR is higher than 185 probably?? Note: After Heartbreak (mile 21) realizing that I had little shot of BQ'ing again (3:15:59) I shut it down slightly so as to not totally destroy myself, hit the wall, etc. etc. I still had two more days of vacation in Boston and did want to enjoy that. Ok, so I got a nice sunburn. (Never knew that permanent markers would actually work as sunblock as on my red right arm the word "JEFF" is now emblazened in white. My new Injinji toe socks worked wonders in preventing blisters. No problems what so ever. Thought I did need to grab some vasoline for the thighs at about mile 15/16. Didn't hit the wall, though legs were painful after finish. What was interesting I must have been passed by thousands of people in the beginning,but did manage to pass quite a few that went out to fast in the end. Actually held ground or passed people up the hills. Though when I shut it down after HB there were a few who passed me. The course was crowded from beginning to end. Got to see my wife and son at mile 16.8 (stopped to kiss them hello). Missed them at Kenmore Station since I just wanted the finish line to come. OK, I've run two marathons (NYC 06 and BOS 08) and I would have to say that New York was a better experience overall. Getting to the start was way easier in NY. The village to wait in was way nicer. The finish area is better in NY (trying to meet up with people after Boston was ridiculous and I was lucky to see my wife coming out of the subway station). The expo was way more crowed and cramped. Since it was such a nice day in Boston, the crowd support was equal. However, I think the course in NY is more scenic as you have views of the city skyline most of the time. You run a whole bunch in Manhattan and there is nothing like finishing in Central Park in the fall..... Boston did feel like a "runner's" marathon and the people of the city of Boston were great towards the marathoners. However, as a whole my experience with New York was better (maybe because I ran over 14 minutes faster Smile ). We'll see how Chicago is in the fall. I still have unfinished business with Boston though we'll see when and if I get back...
                        BeeRunB


                          DCV, Congrats on finishing Boston in 3:20! For a second marathon, you are doing awesome. You are still working the kinks out and coming up with your personal system of determining pace, and how to run a race. Looking at your splits, if you drop the first mile, you kept your ave HR for each mile between 167-172 for the whole race. An nice feat unto itself in terms of the HRM game. Though, I think you'll find out that if you continue to go by HR in a race, that you can probably run in a bigger zone e.g. 160-185 (depending on what your MHR really is--even though 185 is the highest you've seen, it's probably a bit higher). If your goal was to BQ in this race (7:28 pace for you), then you started out too fast in the first 4 miles (I'll show you an analysis of the 16 members of my club who ran this year, and only one had even splits between halves, the rest all started too fast). BUT, I also look at how you contained yourself in that small HR zone, and you might not have started too fast according to what you are actually capable of. MAYBE left a lot in the tank (even though you didn't feel so hot due to the bug) in the second half, as you could have let the HR go up much higher. You might experiment with going with a fixed pace plan in a marathon. Determine the exact number you want to achieve based on indicators, build a plan, and stick to it. If that doesn't suit you, then try experimenting with a wider HR zone. I'll post that analysis of my club members this week. I tracked them all (I'm the webmaster) to get their times up on the website ASAP and I figured I'd keep track of their first 5k and half splits to see what happened. 15 of 16 blew up in the second half. BTW, those things that you mentioned about the logistics of doing Boston was what made me decide to do VCM instead. Loved the race itself, but didn't like having to walk a mile just to get to the tented field (village), freezing my ass for 2 hours, then getting home was a hassle. Wanted to make it easier on my wife. So, I chose a marathon that starts and ends in the same place, and is like butter to get to the start and meet up afterwards. Plus, I want to go to Ben & Jerry's factory for some recovery ice cream. DCV, I still think 3:20 for your second marathon at BOSTON is a good race. I believe that you'll be BQ-ing every time out once you establish your system. Keep going! --Jimmy P.S. To give you an idea of how high you can go, I'll share the one race where I kept HR data. I ran by a pace plan (modified as I went along, as the first half ended up being slower than I thought due to the 11 miles of uphill)--not by HR. Here was the HR zone (173 average), the HR ave per mile spanned 152-189 (saw 190's down the stretch). My MHR is 199: 1) 8:30 152 2) 8:32 159 3) 8:16 162 4) 8:11 167 5) 8:10 168 6) 8:11 171 7) 8:17 171 8) 8:13 170 9) 9:00 173 10)8:35 171 11) 7:58 169 12) 7:46 168 13) 7:38 175 14) 7:46 175 15) 7:47 173 16) 7:35 172 17) 7:25 174 18) 7:46 176 19) 7:36 179 20) 7:51 181 21) 7:58 181 22) 8:17 180 23) 8:18 179 24) 7:54 183 25) 7:33 187 25.2) 1:42 189 (7:46 pace) 26.2) 7:33 189
                          BeeRunB


                            I had to fly back home right after the race, then I flew to Netherlands the next day. I have very limited internet (and any other communications for that matter) access here, so I'll deal with such matters when I get back. In short, I knew at mile 4 that I did not want to be running, so I just took it easy. Too much left in me from the 50 miler the previous weekend. Still enjoyed the race. Avg HR was 166, 6 beats lower than my "pushing it" marathon heart rate. You can probably pull up my race profile from jesseleitner.motionbased.com, where you'll see little heart rate blips where I would pick it up, high five it on both sides, then cut it back after the crowd.
                            3:18 is not bad after a 50-miler, going relaxed, and I think you also did a 10k or something. Amazing feats of endurance coming from Jesseland as usual. Enjoyed tracking you, Jesse. There I was watching it on TV, and had 4 different browsers open tracking 18 people (including Lance)! They only allow 5 runners per browser, soI had to go find some and download them. I learned my lesson about high-fiving at Boston. High five women and children, but do not high-five drunk college guys as they will rip your arm off. I hope you are enjoying the Netherlands. Say hi to the ghost of Vincent for me. Tell him I liked his skull painting. --Jimmy
                            BeeRunB


                              I had a great experience running my first Boston Marathon, though I was mildly disappointed with my performance. I'll definitely have a lengthy race report posted sometime tomorrow, but in the meantime, here are the stats: 1:36:23 / 1:39:36 = 3:15:59 (re-qualified by one freakin' second!) Splits and AHR: 1. 7:32 (172) . . . . . 10. 7:24 (180) . . . . . 19. 7:33 (184) 2. 7:17 (167) . . . . . 11. 7:23 (181) . . . . . 20. 7:41 (187) 3. 7:13 (170) . . . . . 12. 7:17 (179) . . . . . 21. 7:56 (190) 4. 7:22 (169) . . . . . 13. 7:21 (182) . . . . . 22. 7:30 (183) 5. 7:20 (177) . . . . . 14. 7:21 (182) . . . . . 23. 7:50 (184) 6. 7:18 (174) . . . . . 15. 7:29 (184) . . . . . 24. 7:29 (187) 7. 7:26 (173) . . . . . 16. 7:20 (179) . . . . . 25. 7:44 (187) 8. 7:20 (177) . . . . . 17. 7:31 (187) . . . . . 26. 7:40 (190) 9. 7:18 (177) . . . . . 18. 7:43 (187) It's nothing but MAF from here on out.
                              Congrats on the BQ! Why are you disappointed? What was your goal time? 3 minutes of slowing in the second half isn't too bad at all. Not a blow-up. --Jimmy


                              El Presidente

                                Congrats on the BQ!
                                Thanks. I had no idea I was so close, otherwise I would have pushed it a bit harder at the end.
                                Why are you disappointed? What was your goal time?
                                My goal time was sub-3:12 and I had planned to run a negative split with my first half in 1:36 flat and the second half a few seconds faster (if possible). I struggled to get into a good groove mainly due to the crowding of the race course and the constant zigzagging that I had to do FOR THE WHOLE STINKIN' RACE! I also think the sun and heat were a factor (though a very minor one). I'm working on a lengthy race report which will provide all the details of what went right and what went wrong. Overall, I was happy with my time, but mildly disappointed that I didn't do better.
                                3 minutes of slowing in the second half isn't too bad at all. Not a blow-up.
                                I agree, certainly not a blow-up. I think I ran smart, but the hills affected me more than I thought they would and I could never get my pace back down after Newton.

                                "I train conservatively so that I can race recklessly."

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