Low HR Training

"Anaerobic" Phase HRT (over MAF) Reports & Discussion (Read 3592 times)


Before I found Running

posted: 12/20/2009 at 2:38 AM
C-R, what model is your Garmin and do you ever get any erratic readings from it within the first 5-10 minutes of a run?
Run, Homer, Run
C-R


Aaack!

posted: 12/20/2009 at 4:04 PM
Quote from Burnt Toast on 12/20/2009 at 2:38 AM:
C-R, what model is your Garmin and do you ever get any erratic readings from it within the first 5-10 minutes of a run?

 Its a 305 and the erratic readings seems to be caused by not having a good connection since I haven't created enough sweat to make the connection. I on't use gels and usually just use saliva which works fine except in the winter. I usually discard the first mile during winter running and consider it an easy warm-up. Rarely would I ever exceed my limits. Hope that helps.


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Before I found Running

posted: 12/20/2009 at 5:11 PM
modified: 12/20/2009 at 5:12 PM

Yeah that helps. My Garmin does it most times and its a little frustrating. I have to walk a crap ton for the first half mile or so and really throughs me off. I started to think its my older 301 model that has the erratic readins since I rarely read about other models doing this. I have been using gel to no avail. I swear if it doesn't settle in quickly, the entire run seems like the HR readings will be high.

 

Yesterday I went for a long run and after my HR monitor wouldn't settle down, I decided to just go with my calculated Zone 2. (143-157) Its higher then MAF but still LHR. I averaged 150 for 11.3 miles on a very hilly course. If this is the way its going to be during the winter, I'm going to stick with Zone 2 running.

Run, Homer, Run
C-R


Aaack!

posted: 12/26/2009 at 8:36 PM
Long run today and wanted to make it a hard workout. Part of my quality vs quantity debate for marathon tng. So I decided to do the Yasso 10x800 at goal marathon time pace (3:15 or less) with equal recovery. Wrapped this with 5 wu and 3 cd miles. No clue on HOUR as I ran by feel but I avg 3:02 and did not feel winded at all. Let's see how that plays out for Disney in 3 weeks.

"He conquers who endures" - Persius
"Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid." - John Whayne New quote needed. Purdey found the secret

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Dr. MLK,Jr brithplace

posted: 12/27/2009 at 1:58 PM
I have tried the Yasso 800. Injured before the marathon so not sure how well it worked. Looking for to your results.
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jimmyb


posted: 1/20/2010 at 4:17 PM

After a year of base-work in a very stressed out period in my life, I took four weeks off from running and returned in a Maffetonian (Dr. Phillian?) anaerobic phase (HR's above MAF), seeing if I need some balance between my energy systems.  So far so good, my MAF tests are improving. I am doing an anaerobic threshold run once a week, building from 20 to 40 minutes over time. These are run at my AT of 176 bpm, which equates to 89-90% MHR. The rest of my runs are done mostly at or below MAF, with some time at the end of long runs near 70% HRR (153 bpm). 2-3 times per week I am cross-training at MAF on stationary bike, along with a strength/yoga workout that includes light weights (dumbells) and lots of reps on arms, pushups, yoga postures, and core-strengthening exercises. I'm attempting to strengthen my whole body, as well as increase range of motion.

 

Monday, I decided to do a 2 hour run where I got my HR to my MAF of 133 bpm by the 30-minute point, then just held that speed to see what my HR would do. Here's what happened:

 

13:20  114
12:51  126
12:45  133 (MAF 64/36)
12:45  138
12:45  142
12:43  144
12:45  145
12:45  146 (50/50)
12:31  145
04:43  146

My HR rose and then just hung out for almost an hour in a small zone of 144-146. I wonder what it means, if anything. Of course, there is a point, at a given effort, where your HR should stop rising. It won't keep climbing until you reach MHR. The effort didn't feel any harder at 146, than when it was 133, except for a bit of tiredness.

I just took a look at my RQ test, and 146 is my 50% / 50% fat/sugar HR (.85 on the RQ). THus, in RQ-land, my zone ran from 64/36 to 50/50 at the same effort. Plateauing at 50/50. Below is my RQ test for reference (you can see my MAF plateau at 133-134 bpm and my 50/50 point at 146 bpm). Any thoughts about this plateau at 146?

--Jimmy

 


Triathlete or Runner?

posted: 1/20/2010 at 6:42 PM
Good stuff Jimmy, glad to hear that your strengthening your whole body with all of that cross training. I know I feel best when I am swimming, running, and lifting (and yoga when I have time). I feel that it balances out your body the best and overall makes you a better/stronger runner and more healthy.
jimmyb


posted: 1/31/2010 at 12:37 AM
modified: 1/31/2010 at 1:13 AM

2 hour run today. Ran 10 miles for the first time in a long time.  My body still seems to be responding to this anaerobic phase. Earned the coming recovery week.

 

My HR got up to 70% HRR by the end of the run. I've been doing my medium and long runs with that HR as a cap.  The only time I'm spending above 70% is the once a week AT run, currently 22 minutes. 70%HRR is the HR ceiling prescribed for aerobic runs in John L. Parker's "Heart Rate Training For The Compleat Idiot."  A very good book, but out of print these days. When I am not in MAF base phase I find these runs to be stimulating but not overly taxing like a Pfitzinger aerobic run, which takes it about 10-12 bpm higher.

 

tm 1%  dp 49
13:02  116
12:31  126
11:53  136
11:45  142
11:45  146
11:44  147
11:44  149
11;45  149
11:45  150
11:45  153
00:16  153

 

 2:00:00  10.02

11:59 pace

 

--Jimmy

 

C-R


Aaack!

posted: 1/31/2010 at 5:15 PM
Those are very consistant numbers. Looks like the training plan is paying dividends for you. Great to see.

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"Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid." - John Whayne New quote needed. Purdey found the secret

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Max McMaffelow Esq.

posted: 2/9/2010 at 2:31 PM

Observations, post Super Bowl

 

Resurrection:
1. The act of rising from the dead or returning to life.
2. The state of one who has returned to life.
3. The act of bringing back to practice, notice, or use; revival.

All is not lost.
Witness the continuing exploits of Elvis, The Who, Freddy, Jason, and most recently Michael Jackson. Anybody catch "Doritto Boy" exiting the casket? Fresh, crisp!
Now what's become of that old stiff Al Gore??

I've revived my training. Admittedly, I've gone off reservation, but it's been so worth it!!
Lately, it's a mix of maf and maf plus (the other "A" workout) (gasp). Been having fun, and what a perfect time for it. We've been in the throes of one of the worst winters on record, and while running outdoors, in snow, my heart rate goes maf plus, just to overcome traction issues. I say "why fight it". It's all good, too. The times when I do revert to a sub maf warm-up, my opening mile or so has improved in pace. Details soon.

Long live Mick Jagger!

WHO DAT!!

lg

♪ ♫ Hey, hey, we're Maf Monkees And people say we monkey around. ♪ ♫ (The Monkees)
Give me 12:59 in '09, please. I deserve it! (Maf of course)..No more teens! No more teens! (ME! ME! ME!)
♪ ♫ I Thank The Lord For The Night Time...And I Thank The Lord For You ♪ ♫ (Neil Diamond)
C-R


Aaack!

posted: 2/13/2010 at 4:04 PM

I was just getting over the SB and LG's post just pulled the scab off that one.

 

5k race this morning. 20:07. ABout a minute off my PR but I've been doing no speedwork. I did dig pretty hard for mile 3. Also it was 18 at the start and we had freezing fog this morning but those are excuses not reasons and we don't do excuses here. However, it does set well for this summer and fall.

 

I ran 5.4 prior to the race with a friend along the canals. This was all done at less than MAF. Lots of fun and I think I may have convinced him to give LHR a serious shot. We'll see.

 


"He conquers who endures" - Persius
"Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid." - John Whayne New quote needed. Purdey found the secret

Running to Beat Cancer


Dr. MLK,Jr brithplace

posted: 2/14/2010 at 12:45 AM
WTG. 18F with a 5 mile warm up. Missed a PR by 1 minute. I wish for  those days.
Run until the trail runs out
2010** Run 125 miles a month
10k <50:00