Low HR Training

"Expose Your Slow Twitchers" Daily Maffetone and/or Low-HR Training Reports (Read 21307 times)

    10 miles. Goal  pace 10:58-11:42 HR 148-142. Actual  pace 11:48   129/158. Walk 1st and last mile. Should have reset watch. Miles 4*5*6 were to fast. A little knee pain at mile 8. Course had some major hills. I now know I need to do some hill work on my long runs.

     

    Intervals (GPS Interval)
    Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
    Interval 1 Mi 14:15.85 14:15.85 14:16 103 115  
    Interval 1 Mi 11:01.92 25:17.77 11:02 123 136  
    Interval 1 Mi 11:30.36 36:48.13 11:31 135 146  hill
    Interval 1 Mi 10:23.68 47:11.81 10:24 137 152  
    Interval 1 Mi 10:28.11 57:39.92 10:29 141 153 hill
    nterval 1 Mi 10:33.45 1:08:13.37 10:34 136 147  
    Interval 1 Mi 10:53.12 1:19:06.49 10:54 137 148  
    Interval 1 Mi 10:51.93 1:29:58.42 10:52 138 154
    Interval 1 Mi 11:52.3 1:41:50.72 11:53 141 158  
    Interval 1 Mi 15:51.64 1:57:42.36 15:52 116 141  
    Interval 0.03 Mi 0:38.15 1:58:20.51 21:12 111 112

    Run until the trail runs out.

    2012**Run 40 miles week

    50 miler**100 miler

     PR 5K**10K**26.2

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    Decker Challenge 12/12

      Good job Ron. I remember those Atlanta hills from the Thanksgiving half, and in my son's neighborhood. I showed my gps elevation chart to the folks that run the Fort Worth Cowtown race (hyper, full, half, 10k, 5k's) because they get complaints about a couple of hills on the marathon route that are nothing compared to the smallest Atlanta hill! I'm happy that I have a couple of reasonable hills where I live and I have been mostly running down the steepest one, ~5-8% grade for almost 3/4 mi, then the incline over a longer distance back to where I started. Good practice managing hr and getting faster foot turnover.

       

      Stella - keep up the good work. You'll like lhr training for sure!

       

      Tomorrow is my off day, which is a good thing because they are calling for ice in the morning. Might be tricky getting to work and I have to be in early.

       

      Anyway, I decided to run the same 4.3 mi route with my 3 different pair of shoes to see if I still got left foot numbness, and I did with all three, pretty close to the same distance. Must be my bod doing it and/or lacing. I have been using alternate lacing style from Runners World for top of foot pressure for over a year after irritating a nerve (metarsal?) while doing the C25K in cheap neutral shoes. Continuous running seems to induce the numbness. When I run/walk a min each it doesn't happen. Must be more swelling in it with continuous, even if it is lhr. Oh, the left foot and calf are bigger than right due to surgery on the calf from severely torn muscle back in 1986 which is probably why only left foot is a problem. I might try some elastic lacing I heard about on another forum.

       

      Got in nice runs this week, here's a summary. All runs targeted hr=102-107 in the maf-5 area which is 75-77% of my measured max.

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      Date Distance   Duration   Pace   Avg HR   Max HR  
      1/28/2010 3.3 Mi  44:38:00 13:32 97 109
      1/27/2010 4.31 Mi  58:23:00 13:33 99 109
      1/26/2010 5.03 Mi  1:09:37 13:51 99 110
      1/25/2010 4.54 Mi  1:06:32 14:40 96 108

      bob e v
      2012 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

      Finish 2 halves, 3M Half 1/29 and probably Decker Challenge in Dec
      history: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008, 62nd birthday; 1st 10k 2/28/2009 - 50 wks from heart attack to 10k; 1st Half Marathon 11/9/09 20 months from heart attack! !

        i am enjoyign the process. now ive stopped stressing about pace and having to walk  i feel good for rest of day and am able to run much more so its all good. My goal / focus is to not skip out of zone on each run its a tough challenge to remember to walk and not attempt to creep up an incline because when you do the hr can jump up so fast so better to walk have have it drop a little low.

         

        Nearly up to week 4 and with summer almost over really looking forward to cooler months and seeing progress

          bob- nice consistency in your pacing.

           

          stellac- yes, where you get use to the walking it id=s is so bad.

           

          Need a rest day after yesterday. Need 17 miles to hit my 40 mile week. Probably will not make it. Ice/freezing rain predicted for tomorrow.

          Run until the trail runs out.

          2012**Run 40 miles week

          50 miler**100 miler

           PR 5K**10K**26.2

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            15km ave hr 133. Very slow but was already 23 deg celsius when i went out i skipped out of zone for just over 2 mins all on way back which was more uphills and i was trying to focus on form and i think i kept speeding up . gorgeous morning for a run though absolutely gorgeous

              Good work Bob and Stella. Clay - don't fret on the miles - they will come - think long term - your progress so far supports that.

               

               

              Well it wasn't 23 here today. More like 14F with some 20 MPH gusts. Yikes. Still got a nice 12 miler on the trails this morning. We saw more deer than other runners. Besides our little group of four, there were four others we passed in the park. Saw about 15 deer though. Quite a graceful animal when they are running. Anyway, no clue on HR as I left the strap in the car and ran by feel. Definitely below 143 except during some hill stuff. 12 miles in 1:43 and change.

               

              GO COLTS!


              "He conquers who endures" - Persius
              "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel

                17 MILES. 1mile WU and CD.Goal pace 10:51-1134. Should have been10:58-11:42 for 75-80% MHR.

                 

                Actual pace 11:19 146/183. Sprinted the last .5 mile to see if I had anything left in the tank. Last mile was 9:41. I guess I had a little left. Not much! Best news . No knee pain. Ran at Stn Mtn. Can not judge pace.

                Course:stn mtn outer loop
                Date: 1/30/2010 9:11 AM
                Type: long
                stn mtn outer loop
                Distance: 15 miles
                Duration: 2:49:32.1
                Pace: 11:19 / mile
                Weight: 158 lb
                Heart Rate: Rest: 51 / Average: 146 / Max: 183
                Weather: 30° F, Windy
                Statistics: Calories: 1792
                VO2 Max: 28.6

                Intervals (GPS Interval)
                Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
                Interval 1 Mi 11:10.05 11:10.05 11:11 133 148  
                Interval 1 Mi 10:52.87 22:02.92 10:53 137 145  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:46.33 33:49.25 11:47 139 150  
                Interval 1 Mi 10:35.53 44:24.78 10:36 144 159  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:29.18 55:53.96 11:30 139 157  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:01.98 1:06:55.94 11:02 141 156  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:24.84 1:18:20.78 11:25 148 159  
                Interval 1 Mi 13:14.74 1:31:35.52 13:15 146 167  road hazard
                Interval 1 Mi 11:18.93 1:42:54.45 11:19 146 164  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:30.11 1:54:24.56 11:31 148 163  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:23.57 2:05:48.13 11:24 150 163  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:22.43 2:17:10.56 11:23 154 166  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:28.16 2:28:38.72 11:29 155 170  
                Interval 1 Mi 11:10.7 2:39:49.42 11:11 154 162  
                Interval 1 Mi 9:41.36 2:49:30.78 9:42 162 183  
                Interval <center>—</center> 0:01.32 2:49:32.10 <center>—</center> 183 183  

                Run until the trail runs out.

                2012**Run 40 miles week

                50 miler**100 miler

                 PR 5K**10K**26.2

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                Decker Challenge 12/12

                  Good job Ron! We'll definitely have to get together next time I'm in ATL, but you'll have to promise to slow down even your walking so I can keep up with ya! :-)

                  First signs of injury. What I think is morton's Nueroma or something similar is starting to act up again. First occured when I started running and I mitigated it by changing lacing using RW's "Top of the foot pain" approach (which looks to be the same as the Lydiard approach). It went away entirely when I switched to run/walk or Gallowallking.  Well its starting to come back. I'm not sure if taining at the higher maf is doing it or not. Two of the three pair of shoes I'm using have over 80 mi on them w/o having changed lacing (I keep them loose enough to slip foot in and out and don't re-tie). Have ordered some Yanktz elastic ties to see if reduces top foot pressure and have only done some very easy runs in the hr 97-102 range instead of 102-107.

                  I need a sanity check. My measured max hr is 137, maybe could go to 140. It was measured via stress test before I started running but kind of verified at last July's stress test. Using 180-63=117, then -10 for meds got me to 107, or 77% of max for first round of lhr training. Went two months running at maf-10, 97/70%  and testing at maf. Didn't see much improvement although I had no injuries and was running more than ever. So I added 5, raised maf to 112/81% and have been running most days at 102-107 (73-77%) and not worrying to much if hr went to 110. Have done MAF tests at 107-112 (77-81%) and started to see improvement. But now I'm wondering if 112 is to high to use as maf. Ot maybe I need to do more very easy days instead of all near maff days, say 3 at 102-107, and 3 days at 97-102. Am thinking about maf test for tomorrow morning, using 107-112 and then switching to more very easy days. I had been thinking about introducing anaerobic training at this point with race on 2/27, will definitely hold off now.

                  Thoughts? Is this reasonable? Is 81% of max hr to high to use as a maf hr?

                  bob e v
                  2012 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

                  Finish 2 halves, 3M Half 1/29 and probably Decker Challenge in Dec
                  history: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008, 62nd birthday; 1st 10k 2/28/2009 - 50 wks from heart attack to 10k; 1st Half Marathon 11/9/09 20 months from heart attack! !

                    Good job Ron! We'll definitely have to get together next time I'm in ATL, but you'll have to promise to slow down even your walking so I can keep up with ya! :-)

                    First signs of injury. What I think is morton's Nueroma or something similar is starting to act up again. First occured when I started running and I mitigated it by changing lacing using RW's "Top of the foot pain" approach (which looks to be the same as the Lydiard approach). It went away entirely when I switched to run/walk or Gallowallking.  Well its starting to come back. I'm not sure if taining at the higher maf is doing it or not. Two of the three pair of shoes I'm using have over 80 mi on them w/o having changed lacing (I keep them loose enough to slip foot in and out and don't re-tie). Have ordered some Yanktz elastic ties to see if reduces top foot pressure and have only done some very easy runs in the hr 97-102 range instead of 102-107.

                    I need a sanity check. My measured max hr is 137, maybe could go to 140. It was measured via stress test before I started running but kind of verified at last July's stress test. Using 180-63=117, then -10 for meds got me to 107, or 77% of max for first round of lhr training. Went two months running at maf-10, 97/70%  and testing at maf. Didn't see much improvement although I had no injuries and was running more than ever. So I added 5, raised maf to 112/81% and have been running most days at 102-107 (73-77%) and not worrying to much if hr went to 110. Have done MAF tests at 107-112 (77-81%) and started to see improvement. But now I'm wondering if 112 is to high to use as maf. Ot maybe I need to do more very easy days instead of all near maff days, say 3 at 102-107, and 3 days at 97-102. Am thinking about maf test for tomorrow morning, using 107-112 and then switching to more very easy days. I had been thinking about introducing anaerobic training at this point with race on 2/27, will definitely hold off now.

                    Thoughts? Is this reasonable? Is 81% of max hr to high to use as a maf hr?

                     My race is 2/21. I am running at  maf -6 for all runs except one. Once a week my long run will be at 70-80%  of max.

                    This is the first week. Will adjust as needed. Did go over 80% on last lap of long run Saturday. Trial and error.

                    Run until the trail runs out.

                    2012**Run 40 miles week

                    50 miler**100 miler

                     PR 5K**10K**26.2

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                      Did 4 miles at lunch time (2pm) and 6 miles at 5:30 pm. Walk  all the miles. HR 108/125 and 102/121.

                      Run until the trail runs out.

                      2012**Run 40 miles week

                      50 miler**100 miler

                       PR 5K**10K**26.2

                      http://bkclay.blogspot.com/


                      Decker Challenge 12/12

                         My race is 2/21. I am running at  maf -6 for all runs except one. Once a week my long run will be at 70-80%  of max.

                        This is the first week. Will adjust as needed. Did go over 80% on last lap of long run Saturday. Trial and error.

                         Ron - what is your max hr? If I use 112 as my maf it's 81% of max. Could that be to high? Even 107 is high at 77% of max. Or is it?

                        bob e v
                        2012 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

                        Finish 2 halves, 3M Half 1/29 and probably Decker Challenge in Dec
                        history: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008, 62nd birthday; 1st 10k 2/28/2009 - 50 wks from heart attack to 10k; 1st Half Marathon 11/9/09 20 months from heart attack! !

                           Ron - what is your max hr? If I use 112 as my maf it's 81% of max. Could that be to high? Even 107 is high at 77% of max. Or is it?

                           Go to Team Oregon pace wizard and put in your numbers.

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                          Run until the trail runs out.

                          2012**Run 40 miles week

                          50 miler**100 miler

                           PR 5K**10K**26.2

                          http://bkclay.blogspot.com/


                          Decker Challenge 12/12

                            I did and it had me running at 96 and less and I wasn't showing any improvement with maf tests.I looked at my summary and think I probably need to alternate days with maf-5 and less than maf-10 rather than every run at near maf.

                            bob e v
                            2012 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

                            Finish 2 halves, 3M Half 1/29 and probably Decker Challenge in Dec
                            history: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008, 62nd birthday; 1st 10k 2/28/2009 - 50 wks from heart attack to 10k; 1st Half Marathon 11/9/09 20 months from heart attack! !

                              I did and it had me running at 96 and less and I wasn't showing any improvement with maf tests.I looked at my summary and think I probably need to alternate days with maf-5 and less than maf-10 rather than every run at near maf.

                               I have been running at HR 114 maff -7(126-5)  or less for the past 4 weeks.You can see the improvement.

                              1/9/2010 Run   MAFF TEST 4.1 Mi 48:19 11:48
                              11/27/2009 Run   MAFF TEST 5.04 Mi 1:08:18 13:34
                              11/4/2009 Run   MAFF TEST 5 Mi 1:06:37 13:20
                              10/28/2009 Run   MAFF TEST 3 Mi 41:22 13:48
                              Will do a maff test  the 1st week in March to get a feel for a marathon prediction.

                              Run until the trail runs out.

                              2012**Run 40 miles week

                              50 miler**100 miler

                               PR 5K**10K**26.2

                              http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

                                 Walk 3.7 miles hr 91/115. A dog ran towards me at 2 mile mark. I stopped . Started walking again. Went about 10 feet and my back went out. Luckily I was only about a mile from home. This looks like a cut back week after all. 17.2 miles so far. Planned a 18 miler for Saturday. Not likely to happen.

                                Run until the trail runs out.

                                2012**Run 40 miles week

                                50 miler**100 miler

                                 PR 5K**10K**26.2

                                http://bkclay.blogspot.com/