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"Expose Your Slow Twitchers" Daily Maffetone and/or Low-HR Training Reports (Read 21307 times)

lowgear1


Max McMaffelow Esq.

    "LUCY....I'M HOME!!!"

    (Got some splain' to do)...

    hang tight.....

    Okay, I'm back..

    74  F   93  HUM   72  DEW
    Whew!
    I've perspired more in this last week, it seems, than the previous 6 months.
    The cycle of run/rest days came to an end, as I put together  back to back running days. I simply couldn't deny myself.
    This was a classic case of when "listening to your body" trumps all other considerations.
    I obviously didn't keep my heart strictly at maf, but tried not to get too carried away.
    Mentally, I was really into it, but with a 72 dewpoint, my heart rate objected mildly.
    I chose to enjoy the moment, perspired freely, and felt a great sense of accomplishment.
    A finishing segment of 9:44 per mile was maf-maticaly irrational, but even so, it's been written that fast finish runs do hold merit. Anyway, judging by the post run euphoria, I must have done something right.
    Tomorrow it's Laundry/Rest/US Open, what have you.
    lg

    lg

    ♪ ♫ Hey, hey, we're Maf Monkees And people say we monkey around. ♪ ♫ (The Monkees)
    Give me 12:59 in '09, please. I deserve it! (Maf of course)..No more teens! No more teens! (ME! ME! ME!)
    ♪ ♫ I Thank The Lord For The Night Time...And I Thank The Lord For You ♪ ♫ (Neil Diamond)
    jimmyb


      Running rest day.

      Took a nice easy walk by the river.

      Covered 3 miles in an hour at 84bpm.

      Nice and relaxed, with a slight sense of danger as a crocodile

      was spotted in the area. Figured it would go for the fly fishermmen first.

      Thought of Steve Irwin

      at least once.

       

      --Jimmy

      labhiker


        Enjoyable morning Long Run.  Mixed terrain/ rolling 

         

        Target Goal - MAF-5  128 bpm.  Humid and overcast (no rain)

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        Temp 75 - 80       
        13.3 miles
        Lap (1m) Lap Time Avg Min min/mile
        1. A 12:26.7 116 96 12:26
        2. A 14:23.0 119 114 14:22
        3. A 12:33.3 121 104 12:33
        4. A 13:11.0 120 109 13:10
        5. A 12:56.7 121 111 12:56
        6. A 12:16.2 126 119 12:11
        7. A 12:03.1 127 118 12:03
        8. A 12:43.4 127 120 12:41
        9. A 12:11.7 125 111 12:11
        10. A 12:37.7 126 120 12:35
        11. A 12:53.4 126 115 12:50
        12. A 12:49.1 127 120 12:48
        13. A 14:16.4 127 121 13:49
        ave 12:52.4 124 114 12:48

        labhiker

        jimmyb


          Nice run, Lab.

          --Jimmy

          labhiker


            thanks Jim.   

            For some reason it was one of those relaxing & enjoyable runs.  The air was very humid and felt like it would start raining at any moment.  No complaints. 

            I started out slow and focused on a good 30-45minute warmup and then let myself shuffle along just below my 128 ceiling.  After 2 + hr I noted the typical cardiac drift and worked a bit harder to keep HR in check.  Heading home on the last mile uphill I walked once or twice to control HR. 

            I'm thinking of uping weekly mileage over the next month to see if it helps with improvement. 

            Paying close attention the the hills I am surprised how much I slow down up hill and then speed up downhill.  I try to keep the cadence or turnover up and simply shorten the stride uphill to control HR. 

            labhiker

            lowgear1


            Max McMaffelow Esq.

              WTG, Lab!

              You make it look easy!

               

              Our forecast calls for 97 F today.

              Fortunately, it's my rest day.

              I'll try to get in a well hydrated,shady walk, if possible.

              lg

               

              Scene (2)

              88 F   53 H   69 DP
              Hilly, 2-3% Shade...tops (What was I thinking?)

              ~10 minutes lag before restarting following T/L pause.

              Lots of energy and a spring in my step, of late. Heart rates a little too high on some monster hills.

              Thought of Rudolf's posting of teh awesome walk workouts and data. Taught me a lot!


              Where ya at Rudolf?!

              lg

              ♪ ♫ Hey, hey, we're Maf Monkees And people say we monkey around. ♪ ♫ (The Monkees)
              Give me 12:59 in '09, please. I deserve it! (Maf of course)..No more teens! No more teens! (ME! ME! ME!)
              ♪ ♫ I Thank The Lord For The Night Time...And I Thank The Lord For You ♪ ♫ (Neil Diamond)

                4:40 AM    74F DP 70      6 miles    MAF 126   Target  Zone 4   148/167   Rest  117/121  Target should have been 1:46- 1:50   for a 5k. Did not check before a started. Calculations in Garmin used for intervals.  Sucking air like there was no tomorrow for the first 2  quarters in zone 4.  Had to walk a few times in resting stage to get heart rate down. Not drained. Tomorrow we tell the tale. Going for an 8:00 pace

                 

                Type Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
                Interval 0.25 Mi 4:23.3 4:23.3 17:34 114 126  
                Interval 1.75 Mi 29:16.82 33:40.12 16:44 118 126  
                Interval 0.25 Mi 2:49.46 36:29.58 11:18 131 143  completedly missed this one.Explains why not
                Interval 0.25 Mi 4:04.31 40:33.89 16:18 122 141  drained . Should have done 5 repeats. Did 4.
                Interval 0.25 Mi 2:05.19 42:39.08 8:21 139 158  ***
                Interval 0.25 Mi 3:57.56 46:36.64 15:51 127 159  
                Interval 0.25 Mi 1:49.69 48:26.33 7:19 143 164  ***
                Interval 0.25 Mi 4:10.35 52:36.68 16:42 126 163  
                Interval 0.25 Mi 1:43.78 54:20.46 6:56 150 168  ***
                Interval 0.25 Mi 4:04.31 58:24.77 16:18 129 169  
                Interval 0.25 Mi 1:39.28 1:00:04.05 6:38 151 174  ***
                Interval 0.25 Mi 4:33.61 1:04:37.66 18:15 130 174  
                Interval 1.25 Mi 21:06.02 1:25:43.68 16:53 118 129  
                Interval 0.26 Mi 5:07.18 1:30:50.86 19:42 105 115  

                 

                Run until the trail runs out.

                2012**Run 40 miles week

                50 miler**100 miler

                 PR 5K**10K**26.2

                http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

                lowgear1


                Max McMaffelow Esq.

                  Clay,

                  Looks like you were going at those intervals pretty hard. Nice paces!
                  What are you planning for tomorrow (the 8:00 pace)?
                  That 74 F with 70 DP at 4:40 am is what is forecast here tomorrow morning. Hope I can handle it!
                  lg

                  ♪ ♫ Hey, hey, we're Maf Monkees And people say we monkey around. ♪ ♫ (The Monkees)
                  Give me 12:59 in '09, please. I deserve it! (Maf of course)..No more teens! No more teens! (ME! ME! ME!)
                  ♪ ♫ I Thank The Lord For The Night Time...And I Thank The Lord For You ♪ ♫ (Neil Diamond)

                    Should have been a rest/recovery run .Did not quite make it. 4 miles + .25 cool down.

                    ype Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
                    Interval 1 Mi 16:50.8 16:50.8 16:51 114 123  
                    Interval 1 Mi 14:01.63 30:52.43 14:02 117 126  
                    Interval 1 Mi 15:41.62 46:34.05 15:42 117 132  
                    Interval 1 Mi 15:07.44 1:01:41.49 15:08 115 125  
                    Interval <center>—</center> 0:01.35 1:01:42.84 <center>—</center> 112 112
                    Aiming for 100 m month. 5k on saturday not tapering. Actually doing more miles this week.  Off to the salt mines.

                     

                    Will do hills(MAF) next week.Would like some input

                    Run until the trail runs out.

                    2012**Run 40 miles week

                    50 miler**100 miler

                     PR 5K**10K**26.2

                    http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

                      MAF Test (my first base period MAF Test)

                       

                      mile1    9:26   131

                      mile2    9:57   133

                      mile3  10:35   131 (stopped to tie shoe)
                      mile4  10:38   132

                       Ave Pace:  10:09

                       

                      I was pleasantly surprised to see some improvement in my MAF pace.  But not completely surprised.  Because the Math predicted this.  In fact, all the numbers really lined up.

                       

                      The tables say that losing 8 pounds should result in about a 16 second per mile improvment for the 5K.  Well, my 5K time went from about a 7:30 pace to a 7:15 pace when I lost 8 pounds.

                       

                      The MAF tables say that my improvement of 15 seconds per mile at the 5k pace, should be seen as about a 30 second improvment for the MAF pace.  Well I saw that too, in this recent MAF test.

                       

                      And finally, the MAF tables say that if I run in the mid 9s for a MAF pace (first mile), I should be able to run a 5k race at about a 7:15 mile pace.  That is just about what I saw.

                       

                      The math part of this is fun, but it takes some of the msytery away.  But, overall, it really helps with figuring out how to optimize training and the running experience.  I had actually set out to lose that 8 pounds, as an experiment, to see if I would see the predicted improvement.  I saw the improvement both in my 5k time and my MAF pace.

                      lowgear1


                      Max McMaffelow Esq.

                        WTG, 48!!!

                        Looks like you're hitting on all cylinders.

                        Nice not having to run around with that extra gallon jug of milk, eh?!

                        I ditched about 4 of um some 3 years ago. Still got a pint or two to go.

                        lg

                        ♪ ♫ Hey, hey, we're Maf Monkees And people say we monkey around. ♪ ♫ (The Monkees)
                        Give me 12:59 in '09, please. I deserve it! (Maf of course)..No more teens! No more teens! (ME! ME! ME!)
                        ♪ ♫ I Thank The Lord For The Night Time...And I Thank The Lord For You ♪ ♫ (Neil Diamond)
                        lowgear1


                        Max McMaffelow Esq.

                          Yowie!
                          3:52 am:
                          82 F   88 H   78 DP   heat index 94 with a forecast high of 97 F and heat idexes of 108-112!!!

                          I hit the trail at 4:40 am (fire flys galore!) and after just 1.25 miles I'm drenched in sweat.
                          My running top clings to my chest like LDL clings to the arteries of a 3 pould lab rat.

                          My RHR of 45 combined with an overall sense of wellness makes for a great experience as I go some 6.5 miles.

                          I could have travelled an additional 6.5 No sweat .....no problem.

                          Galloway Disciple

                          lg

                          ♪ ♫ Hey, hey, we're Maf Monkees And people say we monkey around. ♪ ♫ (The Monkees)
                          Give me 12:59 in '09, please. I deserve it! (Maf of course)..No more teens! No more teens! (ME! ME! ME!)
                          ♪ ♫ I Thank The Lord For The Night Time...And I Thank The Lord For You ♪ ♫ (Neil Diamond)


                          Happy

                            LG,


                            Way to go!

                            5K, 4/28/07 24:16 PR
                            10K, 5/5/07 49:23 PR
                            1/2 M, 12/08/07 1:49:34 PR
                            Marathon, 12/09/06 3:57:37 BQ
                            50K, 10/04/2009 7:27:00 PB
                            40M, 4/17/2010 11:20:00 PB


                            Happy

                              Should have been a rest/recovery run .Did not quite make it. 4 miles + .25 cool down.

                              ype Distance Time Total Time Pace Avg HR Max HR Notes
                              Interval 1 Mi 16:50.8 16:50.8 16:51 114 123  
                              Interval 1 Mi 14:01.63 30:52.43 14:02 117 126  
                              Interval 1 Mi 15:41.62 46:34.05 15:42 117 132  
                              Interval 1 Mi 15:07.44 1:01:41.49 15:08 115 125  
                              Interval 0:01.35 1:01:42.84 112 112
                              Aiming for 100 m month. 5k on saturday not tapering. Actually doing more miles this week.  Off to the salt mines.

                               

                              Will do hills(MAF) next week.Would like some input

                               

                              Clay,

                              It looks like you are working hard. Be careful not to do too much intensive running (speed work, hills etc) while building mileage. It is often while building mileage that a runner get's hurt. Once you've reached the mileage you are aiming for you can add more intensity. However, I am not trying to discourage you - it is certainly possible to add mileage safely while also doing intense workouts. I am currently doing this myself and trying to be very careful in monitoring how the body responds to it.

                              I don't know what to day about hill training at MAF HR. I know I wasn't able to run uphill while running at ageMAF-10. At ageMAF I can run uphill but slowly. What is it you want help with?

                              I am in favor of hill training as I think it strenghtens the legs and the lungs and the heart all at once. I say go for it. As with all other things in training - add hill training gradually. Maybe one hill the first time. 2 repeats the next time. ETC. Give the body time to adapt to the new stress in between. Some people, Jesse for example, is a huge advocate for running downhill repeats fast (this is a neuromuscular type workout that teaches the legs to turn over faster) - personally, maybe due to my advanced age, I think fast downhill repeats are very stressful for my entire body and that I risk damaging knees and other joints by doing them. I would much rather do some speedwork going uphill - but it drives the HR up, so it becomes an anaerobic workout - not good when strictly maffing.

                              5K, 4/28/07 24:16 PR
                              10K, 5/5/07 49:23 PR
                              1/2 M, 12/08/07 1:49:34 PR
                              Marathon, 12/09/06 3:57:37 BQ
                              50K, 10/04/2009 7:27:00 PB
                              40M, 4/17/2010 11:20:00 PB
                              jimmyb


                                Out for the count today. RHR of 68 (normal 50), headache, nauseated, and fatigue. I spent a few hours outdoors yesterday in 95º helping my wife at an international day festival. I ran an hour in the morning, and did yoga in a hot room last night.  It was the tipping point. All this heat finally caught up with me. Today is just lying down, rehydrating on Pedialyte. A cut in my summer schedule is at hand. My body is not doing well at this current load. I've managed to get out early, beating the extreme heat, but it's still 75º and the humidity in the morning is always at its highest (90%, ending up at 70-80% by the end of the run). I feel like dried potato. Hopefully, I'll be back on my feet in a few days.

                                 

                                Please send me hydrating thoughts.

                                 

                                --Jimmy