Low HR Training

"Expose Your Slow Twitchers" Daily Maffetone and/or Low-HR Training Reports (Read 21308 times)

    Bob great progress

     

    CR nice milege. Can not seem to get mine up to 50. I am at about 8 hours a week.

    Run until the trail runs out.

    2012**Run 40 miles week

    50 miler**100 miler

     PR 5K**10K**26.2

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    Decker Challenge 12/12

       

      One thing to note is that there is ample research evidence (I do not have it at my fingertips) that aerobic base miles also assist the heart in capilarization. This adds benefits down the road as the heart litteraly gets larger and stronger. I think Dr. Phil discusses some of this but I need to reread the books.

       

       Interesting.I don't know if I mentioned but I still have one tertiary artery that is more than 60%blocked. I denied them permission to intervene because it was difficult to reach and I didn't want to risk a torn artery - that is what killed my Mom. They said it would eventually close off and that I could either not feel anything, since the area of the heart it covers is also covered by others, or I could have a heart attack! If additional capillaries are growing that is definitely a good thing for me! I'm hoping that running will keep cholesterol's low enough that I don't do a Clinton and get blocked again.

      I know it feels good running with lhr. there are times I feel I can keep going at maf-5 forever. Other training methods never yielded that result.

      bob e v
      2012 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

      Finish 2 halves, 3M Half 1/29 and probably Decker Challenge in Dec
      history: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008, 62nd birthday; 1st 10k 2/28/2009 - 50 wks from heart attack to 10k; 1st Half Marathon 11/9/09 20 months from heart attack! !

         

         Interesting.I don't know if I mentioned but I still have one tertiary artery that is more than 60%blocked.


         I not think you mentioned it. Running a full my not be a good idea. you are doing great at the  half.

        Run until the trail runs out.

        2012**Run 40 miles week

        50 miler**100 miler

         PR 5K**10K**26.2

        http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

          Planned18. Did 10.8. Knee trouble while walking the 1st mile WU. Run 5.7 miles and was ready to call it quits. Decided to run on the trail instead. The pain in the knee stop however left calf tighten up. Probably not hydrated. The plan was to get water as I looped the mtn. No water fountains on the trail. Stopped running at 8.7 miles. Walked the last 2.1 to the car.Thought about walk the 5 loop since a club member was running the other direction.She is just getting back in shape. Keep up with her would not be a problem. I did the wise thing. Drove home. Maybe next week for long run.

           

          PS: I notice my resting HR had gone up from 51 to 56 before getting out of bed. Checked it 2 weeks ago and again this morning. While out on my run I remember the DR. cut my BP medics in half. 20 mg to 10mg. I plan to check again after my next rest day.

          Run until the trail runs out.

          2012**Run 40 miles week

          50 miler**100 miler

           PR 5K**10K**26.2

          http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

             I not think you mentioned it. Running a full my not be a good idea. you are doing great at the  half.

             +1en Patience. Build up, the marathon will always be there. Think years and not months.

             

            Have fun with the HM and when they feel easy it may be time to make the move.

             

            Clay - sorry to hear about the knee and calf. Good call to not "chase" the miles.

             

            10 easy in the snow today. 1:30 or slightly over 9mpm. AHR was 133. I needed a long run wihout pushing it and my body told me that. Very relaxing and the light snowfall at dawn was simply serene.


            "He conquers who endures" - Persius
            "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel

              Well, I am back.  I took two months off, but not really.  I took two weeks of at the end of Dec and then ran 4 miles about 3 times a week for the rest of the time.  I just ran my first long run of the new year, and ran it at a pace of 11:30 minutes per mile and at a HR of 138.  Last fall, I did the same run at a HR of 128.  So, I have lost fitness, at a level that I expected.

               

              I am running everything now by feel and recording the data.  My MAF is 132, but I find that I like running in the mid 130s to low 140s.  I am going to stick with this and see how it works out.  It will be interesting to compare it to when I ran everything under MAF last year.

                Walked 6.2 miles.hr 104/150. Ran up a hill with a club member.  Calf muslce still a little sore.

                Run until the trail runs out.

                2012**Run 40 miles week

                50 miler**100 miler

                 PR 5K**10K**26.2

                http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

                Anne47


                  I should probably reintroduce myself as I have been absent from posting for quite some time now. I am a new runner starting last fall at the age of 61(now 62). I started running with the goal of being able to complete a 10K charity run  with a friend this June.

                   

                  I have to say that I have found MAF training very frustrating. It seems that I am a very competitive person even though  I am only competing with myself at this point in time. I am used to achieving my goals fairly quickly but this running business has set me back. I found I was becoming too obsessed with running. If you can imagine someone who runs 17-18 min/mile poring over lap times you will have an idea of what I mean.

                   

                  I decided to revise my approach to running and focus on time rather than pace. I have tried to run at least 1 hour  daily with walking breaks as needed. I have kept track of HR only although I know how far I'm going as they are routes I have used before. So for almost the last two months I have been running by time and HR alone. This approach is definitely working for me. I have improved my MAF times from 18-19min/mile to the neighbourhood of 15/min/mile. My total time on my feet is two to two and a half hours daily as I also walk the dogs every day.

                   

                  I am thrilled to report my MAF test today:

                   

                  MAF=118

                   

                  Mile 1 14:02 MAX HR 116

                  Mile 2 14:48 MAX HR 119

                  Mile 3 15:58 MAX HR 121

                  Mile 4 17:38 MAX HR 123

                   

                  Even though I am somewhat over MAF on the last three miles I am not discouraged. There were several small hills after the first mile which made me walk previously. I was pleasantly surprised to be able to run them today even though I went over MAF. I think there is no doubt that I will be able to do my 10K race without totally embarrassing myself.

                   

                  Even though I haven't been posting I have been lurking and reading all of your achievements. One day I hope to be able to participate in this group as a real runner as are all of you.

                   

                  Anne

                   

                   

                    WTG Anne. Good to see you found what works for you and yoy already show a 16% improvement already. MAF takes patience as all of us have learned but you learn much about yourself as well. Looking forward to seeing your posts and as for being a real runner - if you put one foot in front of the other, go hard and train to be your best or healthiest - than you're a runner.

                    "He conquers who endures" - Persius
                    "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel
                      Nice work Anne. I told you those 18m miles would not last ever.

                      Run until the trail runs out.

                      2012**Run 40 miles week

                      50 miler**100 miler

                       PR 5K**10K**26.2

                      http://bkclay.blogspot.com/

                      labhiker


                        Recent MAF Test Results

                         

                        2/20/2010 Sat.

                        Indoors, 1% incline, 1 mile warm-up, 4 miles MAF Test, MAF = 133bmp (age based)

                         

                        Mile                 ave. bpm          pace

                        1                      112                  13:50

                        2                      132                  11:55

                        3                      134                  12:37    (large cardiac drift?)

                        4                      133                  13:18     (more drift)

                        5                      134                  13:48     (not as bad, but still drifting)

                         

                         

                        I’m questioning if the magnitude of cardiac drift is excessive?  Nearly a 2mm drift over 4 mile period.   Need for more warm-up?  Hydration?

                         

                         

                        My previous MAF Test was Jan 15 at a target of 127 (MAF-5).  The mile 1 split was 12:54 mm.

                        labhiker

                          Based on my experiences a 15 minute warm-up or longer is the best. Try that on the next one. Also compare sleep patterns from one test to another. Hydration could be an issue too but without comparative data from one test ot the next it is hard to pinpoint. Start keeping more details in your log and it will help.

                          "He conquers who endures" - Persius
                          "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel

                            Recent MAF Test Results

                             

                            2/20/2010 Sat.

                            Indoors, 1% incline, 1 mile warm-up, 4 miles MAF Test, MAF = 133bmp (age based)

                             

                            Mile                 ave. bpm          pace

                            1                      112                  13:50

                            2                      132                  11:55

                            3                      134                  12:37    (large cardiac drift?)

                            4                      133                  13:18     (more drift)

                            5                      134                  13:48     (not as bad, but still drifting)

                             

                             

                            I’m questioning if the magnitude of cardiac drift is excessive?  Nearly a 2mm drift over 4 mile period.   Need for more warm-up?  Hydration?

                             

                             

                            My previous MAF Test was Jan 15 at a target of 127 (MAF-5).  The mile 1 split was 12:54 mm.

                             In a prefect Maff world the drift should be 45 sec over 5 miles. How much often areyou running over maff?

                            Run until the trail runs out.

                            2012**Run 40 miles week

                            50 miler**100 miler

                             PR 5K**10K**26.2

                            http://bkclay.blogspot.com/


                            Decker Challenge 12/12

                              I need a 2 mi warm up before maf tests. Generally takes me 25 min to be sure I am wamed up. Could be because of my heart meds but its another data point.

                              btw: took 2 days off in prep for Sat half. Wsan't planned but decided to roll over at the last minute this morning when I heard the wind howling!

                              bob e v
                              2012 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

                              Finish 2 halves, 3M Half 1/29 and probably Decker Challenge in Dec
                              history: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008, 62nd birthday; 1st 10k 2/28/2009 - 50 wks from heart attack to 10k; 1st Half Marathon 11/9/09 20 months from heart attack! !

                                6.3 miles hr 125/042. Planned to do 10+ miles.The knee would not ear of it. Ran on the soccer field instead.

                                Run until the trail runs out.

                                2012**Run 40 miles week

                                50 miler**100 miler

                                 PR 5K**10K**26.2

                                http://bkclay.blogspot.com/