Low HR Training

"Anaerobic" Phase HRT (over MAF) Reports & Discussion (Read 5035 times)

Shiksa


Aerobigal! (thx Jimmy!)

    posted: 9/7/2008 at 4:56 PM
    Funny you should ask that question. I actually did just that today. I'm sure I read it here. I collect data even when I don't know what the heck to do with it. I was down less than 1/2 a lb when I got back. During the MAF portion of my run I don't drink. When I start going over MAF, start drinking about 45 minutes or so in. There's no real formula to it although maybe there should be. I have shot bloks once during and at the end. I drank about 20 oz of water with no bathroom needs.
    Stacy
    I make no apologies for my liberal use of smiley icons. http://stacyruns.wordpress.com/
    Shiksa


    Aerobigal! (thx Jimmy!)

      posted: 9/7/2008 at 4:58 PM
      I also meant to add that last week, I was down about 1.5 lbs when I got back.
      Stacy
      I make no apologies for my liberal use of smiley icons. http://stacyruns.wordpress.com/
      formationflier


      run-easy-race-hard

        posted: 9/7/2008 at 5:58 PM
        modified: 9/7/2008 at 5:59 PM
        Quote from Shiksa on 9/7/2008 at 4:56 PM:
        Funny you should ask that question. I actually did just that today. I'm sure I read it here. I collect data even when I don't know what the heck to do with it. I was down less than 1/2 a lb when I got back. During the MAF portion of my run I don't drink. When I start going over MAF, start drinking about 45 minutes or so in. There's no real formula to it although maybe there should be. I have shot bloks once during and at the end. I drank about 20 oz of water with no bathroom needs.
        So are you saying you can drink 20 oz of water during a long run and only be a 1/2 lb down? Now that is definitely interesting! I know you likely weigh a lot less than I do, but I'll go down between 8 and 20 lbs on a 20 mile run (minus whatever I replace it with, of course), depending on temps and humidity.
        Shiksa


        Aerobigal! (thx Jimmy!)

          posted: 9/7/2008 at 6:09 PM
          Quote from formationflier on 9/7/2008 at 5:58 PM:
          So are you saying you can drink 20 oz of water during a long run and only be a 1/2 lb down? Now that is definitely interesting! I know you likely weigh a lot less than I do, but I'll go down between 8 and 20 lbs on a 20 mile run (minus whatever I replace it with, of course), depending on temps and humidity.
          Yes, but I don't know what that means. Should I be drinking more? less? We have low humidity here and I'm not typically thirsty until the miles increase and it gets to about 80. I am on the low end of weight for my height. Maybe I don't drink enough fluids overall?
          Stacy
          I make no apologies for my liberal use of smiley icons. http://stacyruns.wordpress.com/
          formationflier


          run-easy-race-hard

            posted: 9/7/2008 at 6:26 PM
            Quote from Shiksa on 9/7/2008 at 6:09 PM:
            Yes, but I don't know what that means. Should I be drinking more? less? We have low humidity here and I'm not typically thirsty until the miles increase and it gets to about 80. I am on the low end of weight for my height. Maybe I don't drink enough fluids overall?
            Maybe it doesn't mean anything. You definitely don't want to replace more fluids than you drink. However, being thirsty can be almost irrelevant. I can go down 8 lbs or more without feeling thirsty and for me 5 lbs is a serious turning point. If you're just down a 1/2 lb after a run then you're certainly drinking enough assuming you were properly hydrated to begin with. That you can tell by, well, urine color.
            Shiksa


            Aerobigal! (thx Jimmy!)

              posted: 9/7/2008 at 6:35 PM
              I do drink a lot of fluids the night before a long run. I probably drink more than I normally would on the night before a typical run. Maybe that helps. I do it in prep for the deprivation the following day. Inspecting my urine brings me back to my pregnancy days. Cool It is of normal hue. Sometimes, later in the day, I notice signs of lower hydration, but I drink more and it corrects itself within a normal timeframe. So, am I understanding that the goal is only to replace what is lost and not go over? I'm not sure I'm understanding the goal of optimal hydration.
              Stacy
              I make no apologies for my liberal use of smiley icons. http://stacyruns.wordpress.com/
              formationflier


              run-easy-race-hard

                posted: 9/7/2008 at 6:42 PM
                Quote from Shiksa on 9/7/2008 at 6:35 PM:
                So, am I understanding that the goal is only to replace what is lost and not go over? I'm not sure I'm understanding the goal of optimal hydration.
                Exactly - you never want to replace more. That's not a good thing - puts you on a path to hyponatremia.
                jimmyb


                  posted: 9/7/2008 at 10:18 PM
                  Yup, you can kill yourself drinking too much water. Dilutes the sodium in your blood, your brain swells and you die. From Discovery, The Personal Disaster Channel: http://www.remembercynthia.com/Hyponatremia_BostonGlobe.htm --Jimmy
                  Shiksa


                  Aerobigal! (thx Jimmy!)

                    posted: 9/7/2008 at 11:55 PM
                    I'm familiar with hyponatremia. I'm not sure I'm understanding whether it is strange that I drink so little, or that I'm drinking more than what seems normal. It seems I am somehow an anomaly in the water drinking world? Cool Hyponatremia doesn't seem likely in my case.
                    Stacy
                    I make no apologies for my liberal use of smiley icons. http://stacyruns.wordpress.com/
                    formationflier


                    run-easy-race-hard

                      posted: 9/8/2008 at 5:00 AM
                      Quote from Shiksa on 9/7/2008 at 11:55 PM:
                      I'm familiar with hyponatremia. I'm not sure I'm understanding whether it is strange that I drink so little, or that I'm drinking more than what seems normal. It seems I am somehow an anomaly in the water drinking world? Cool Hyponatremia doesn't seem likely in my case.
                      No, you wouldn't be talking to us if it were!
                      Shiksa


                      Aerobigal! (thx Jimmy!)

                        posted: 9/8/2008 at 9:34 AM
                        I had a "duh" moment in the middle of the night last night when my son woke me up to tell me he couldn't sleep. Tongue I couldn't go back to sleep. When I came in from my run, I had more liquids before I weighed myself. So, what I told you is incorrect. I was thinking about during my run, and didn't stop to think that I had more fluids after. I had about 16 oz of recovery drink, and about 8 more oz of water while I was cooling down around the house. I feel pretty silly for forgetting that. Next weekend though, if I remember, I'll weight right before, then right after. Now I'm wondering what my normal fluxuation is.
                        Stacy
                        I make no apologies for my liberal use of smiley icons. http://stacyruns.wordpress.com/
                        formationflier


                        run-easy-race-hard

                          posted: 9/8/2008 at 9:44 PM
                          Quote from Shiksa on 9/8/2008 at 9:34 AM:
                          I had a "duh" moment in the middle of the night last night when my son woke me up to tell me he couldn't sleep. Tongue I couldn't go back to sleep. When I came in from my run, I had more liquids before I weighed myself. So, what I told you is incorrect. I was thinking about during my run, and didn't stop to think that I had more fluids after. I had about 16 oz of recovery drink, and about 8 more oz of water while I was cooling down around the house. I feel pretty silly for forgetting that. Next weekend though, if I remember, I'll weight right before, then right after. Now I'm wondering what my normal fluxuation is.
                          Yeah, make sure you account for all fluids between your first weighing and your last. So, obviously you don't want to eat before your second weighing.
                          Screen name1


                            posted: 9/9/2008 at 9:34 AM
                            How much weight do you count per oz of water. I ran a long track workout this Sunday (18.1 miles) and lost 6.2 lbs. I had probably drank about 30oz of H2O between weigh ins. 30oz of H20 ~~ 2lbs. So did I technically loose 8.2 lbs of weight (5%)... Thats probably why those last few repeats were tough...
                            formationflier


                            run-easy-race-hard

                              posted: 9/9/2008 at 6:11 PM
                              modified: 9/9/2008 at 6:13 PM
                              Quote from Screen name1 on 9/9/2008 at 9:34 AM:
                              How much weight do you count per oz of water. I ran a long track workout this Sunday (18.1 miles) and lost 6.2 lbs. I had probably drank about 30oz of H2O between weigh ins. 30oz of H20 ~~ 2lbs. So did I technically loose 8.2 lbs of weight (5%)... Thats probably why those last few repeats were tough...
                              18 miles on the track?? Sounds horrible! Yeah, once you pass 3% body weight, you should really see the effects in your heart rate. It's about 8 lbs/gallon, so one lb per pint.
                              C-R


                                posted: 9/13/2008 at 8:54 PM
                                First post in this section - about five weeks to my marathon and I've reached my base period and decided to add one day of some anaerobic work. Today was a 10 miler and I wanted to add a fast last third workout. First 7 miles - avgHR = 134 @ 10:15 mpm. Temp was 72 with about 60% humdity. Ran a 5k in 25:12 @ AHR of 160 Last .5 was a cool down. Felt great for the 5k portion with the last mile at 8:01. Very pleased with the results of MAF and LHR.

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